The Art of (Anti-)War

The Art of (Anti-)War


Welcome to Now You See It This video of a train was first screened to
a group of people in France in January of 1896. Legend has it that the viewers of the
film were so overwhelmed by what looked like a train coming right at them that many hid
under their seats or ran to the back of the room in fear of getting hit. The truth of
this story is debated, but what’s certain is that seeing a video for the first time
of a train coming towards you would probably leave you pretty shocked and amazed. So the
question is, even more than a century later, can we be just as moved by film, or are we
desensitized because we know the things on screen aren’t actually happening to us I want to explore the war film because war films have such great potential to shock and amaze
us through their sheer scope and powerful subject matter. How can films portray war,
and what techniques do filmmakers use to depict war and the soldiers that fight them? Can
film portray war realistically? Let’s take a look at two types of war films: Pro-War and Anti-War French Filmmaker Francois Truffaut is often
attributed with saying “there’s no such thing as an anti-war film” while Steven
Spielberg said in an interview with Newsweek magazine “Of course every war movie, good
or bad, is an anti-war movie.” So, who’s right? I want to argue that while neither
of these statements is correct, they do give insight into the nature of film. But before
arguing if a film is pro or anti-war, we have to define pro and anti-war.
A definition like “anti-war portrays war in a bad light and pro-war portrays war in
a good light” is somewhat of an oversimplification. A lot of war films show a combination of positive
and negative aspects of war. They Were Expendable, for example, shows Japanese airplanes blowing
up a US PT boat and killing a soldier. Look at this shot of John Wayne collapsing at the
sight of the boat, weighed down by his combat boots the camera following him to the ground. This scene
reflects war as cruel, dangerous, and deadly. But if we look at the movie as a whole, it’s
definitely a pro-war propaganda film. Look at this shot of General MacArthur, commander
of the Army. He towers over the camera, speaks little, and is treated
by the soldiers as a celebrity. “Sir, please autograph my hat.” He’s looked at as a hero and savior for the United States, and this, and along with lots of pro-war sentiment in the film, shows that They Were Expendable is much more pro-war than anti-war. I think a better definition for a pro-war film would be a film that shows the
benefits of war outweighing the costs, and an anti-war film shows the costs of war outweighing the benefits. A modern example of a pro-war film is American Sniper. Clint Eastwood makes the claim that
the film is anti-war, and it definitely has a lot of aspects of an anti-war film. The
film shows that war isn’t always black and white and can cause serious emotional trauma.
But what makes it pro-war is that Chris Kyle believes he did the right thing. ” I was just protecting my guys, they were trying to kill our soldiers and I’m willing to meet my creator and answer for every shot that I took” The film is pro-war because it conveys that, despite all the trauma of war, war seems worth it. “And then there are those who have been blessed with the gift of aggression and the overpowering need to protect the flock. These men are the rare breed who live to confront the wolf. They are the sheepdog.” The benefits of war outweigh the cost, and war is a necessarily evil against those who cause terror. It’s with films like American Sniper where I think Spielberg is wrong in his statement about war films. War films normally don’t make out war as something to look forward to but they can certainly make war out as necessary. Pro-war films use heroes and an idea of the greater good to convey the message that war is necessary and anti-war films showcase the brutality and cruelty of war to portray combat negatively To get a look at how filmmakers use cinematography to have an anti-war film show the horrors and realities of combat one has to look no further than the D-Day scene in Saving Private Ryan. The transition from the old man in the opening
scene to the beaches of Normandy is done with a jarring smash cut. We don’t fade in, we
don’t zoom in. It’s a fast and abrupt transition. It gives the effect of being forced
into the scene without adequate preparation. The shot of the endless rows of anti-landing
barriers on the beach looks eerily similar to the rows of tombstones in the graveyard
we just saw in the earlier scene. A foreshadowing of what’s to come. We get several close
ups of soldiers, and they certainly aren’t the typical war heroes. The first image of
our hero is his hand shaking, a sign of fear. Compare that to the grand introduction of
John Wayne on a squadron of PT Boats that are basically showing off to the camera. Or even American Sniper where Chris Kyle first gets shown with his huge powerful sniper rifle. The Omaha
beach scene shows a war fought by the terrified, not by the heroic or masculine.
The killing on the beach is best described as pure chaos. The camera shake, point of
view shots and minimal movement blur all work together to pull the viewer onto the battlefield
alongside the other soldiers. With all these effects, this scene definitely conveys that
the costs of war outweigh the benefits. A great way for a film to portray war in a negative
way is to make war scenes as realistic as possible. By putting us in the real world, we feel the terror and get a sense that war may not be worth all the turmoil it causes Waltz with Bashir is another great example
of pulling us into the action and showing how was can have such devastating effects. The movie is an animation war film, and the resulting effect is that we’re removed from the reality in the film because it’s animated and doesn’t
look realistic. Then, in the last minute or so the film quickly cuts to actual footage of the aftermath
of the massacres in Lebanon. The result is heart wrenching. It jars us from the spectacle
of the animation into the harshness of reality. We see widows crying, dead bodies, and it’s
all thrown at us with no preparation for the transition from cartoon to reality. The effect is extremely powerful, and we realize that what we were originally seeing only in animated characters is in fact exactly the reality of war and that reality is horrific suffering If that’s not an anti-war film, then I don’t know what is.
I do see where Truffaut is coming from when he says there is no such thing as an anti-war
film. He’s saying that film by nature contains spectacle. Since we’re not actually on the
battlefield and are safe in our movie theater seats, we don’t completely feel
exactly like the soldiers do because we’re removed from the reality. This removal makes
it difficult to construct a film that truly leaves people disgusted at war because we’re
safe from it. We can enjoy watching the destruction of film in the theater. Famous director Samuel Fuller, upon watching the very anti-war Full Metal Jacket, stated that it was “just another god damn recruiting film.” Even when films try to criticize war, sometimes they can still give the effect of making war glamorous Cinema as an art form is limited because no matter how drawn in we are to the movie, there’s always that barrier
from reality. A train on screen doesn’t frighten us like it would in real life.
So maybe we are a little desensitized by the screen. We aren’t shocked like the viewers
of the train were back in 1896. Some may say that’s a limitation to film. But to others
it’s a challenge. It’s a challenge all filmmakers have to tackle. They have to surprise
and astonish us even when we’re used to watching film and maybe not every blockbuster these days can blow you away, but every once
in a while, if you’re lucky, you get to see a film that hits you like a freight train. Thanks for watching.

100 thoughts on “The Art of (Anti-)War

  1. Why do people always forget about "The thin red line"? It is more of a philosophical war movie but i have never seen a movie like that which contrasts war and nature so well.

  2. You are mistaken and misleading when you say that what you see at the end of the film about Lebanon is a massacre
    The term according to legal definition is mass murder in intentional malice
    On the other hand, if you investigate and look at the war, it is exactly the opposite of a massacre
    Civilians were killed but there was no intention for that not only it wasn't intentional but also you can see in the film that the soldiers opened fire only when they were shot at, which means there is an element of self defense

    Civilians die in every war there isn't a war when civilians dont die in a war

    "A war is chaotic and full of mistakes but mistakes are not war crimes" – Colonel Richard Kemp

    Civilians died but they died right behind an enemy that's the nature of urban combat you want to kill the enemy but sometimes you have civilians you dont see or are mistaken for enemies

    for example specifically in the movie when you see the aftermath you see destroyed buildings
    does buildings were destroyed because there were enemies that opened fire on them so they used an anti bunker missile against the building but what they didn't know was the enemies fired from a building which also has civilians
    that is a example of a mistake its no massacre and no murder its a decision made by the soldiers to survive which happens to kill civilians with the enemies

    Is it a bad thing? yes
    Is it a massacre? no not even close
    not by the legal definition and not by the aftermath of the war

    For more information on the war I recommend reading the book The Industry of lies of Ben Dror Yemini where he breaks down and refutes all the lies of the so called massacres and murder that no element close to this thing happened in the war

  3. War films are a unique in a way that it shows a lot of emotion and requires the audience to be fully immersed and care for the characters and also they cannot use cg because that would immediately takes you out of the movie.

  4. No war movie has to be pro or anti war. Movies like American Sniper illustrate, as you said, how war is not always black and white, just like you said. It is ultimately left to the audience to decide whether the film is pro or anti war. Just because somebody believes that it is their duty to fight for and protect his or her nation doesn't mean that they are pro-war. Nobody likes or wants war. However, once a war has started, you have the choice to sit back and do nothing or to protect your nation. I would hope that being anti-war wouldn't stop someone from protecting their country from a war that has already started.

  5. But if Spielberg was wrong, why do pro-war movies always depict the general (or soldier, or etc.) as a hero? The conclusion was peace at last. That was the desire attained, yes? That is the happy ending.

    The end goal was peace. We wouldn't have to do such things if we just did peace in the first place.
    That dad telling his kids it's necessary to fight? That fight could've been avoided if the bully just acted like a civil person.

    Now, at the end of pro-war movies, we just land back at square one… before the war even started. Which was the good thing. Which was when we tried peace. Even pro-war movies depict peace as the desired goal. This is the paradox.

    Where war is depicted as a good thing, it is peace that is, in fact, the good thing. If you tried that instead, war is never an option anymore.

    I agree with Spielberg.

    Because, let's be honest, nobody in their right mind actually wants to blow somebody up. They just want the violence to stop. Which is exactly what a pro-war movie illustrates.

  6. As a teenager, every anti-war movie was pro-war. I understood the films were against war, but I still wanted to be part of that fraternity. I wanted to be in a place where all the aggression and anger I felt was acceptable, glorified even. Full Metal Jacket was like our Office Space. After going to war, I see these films differently, but I still enjoy them – in no small part out of nostalgia for the version of me that found them so darkly inspiring.

  7. Frankly spoken, for me walz with bashir is the only (anti-) war movie that really feel like Antiwar. The heavy discrepancy between the somewhat beautifull surreal animations and the blank horror of the aftermath of war in the reallife footage hit me hard. I never feeled something like this again.

  8. At the end of Saving Private Ryan the old Ryan feels like what he went through was horrible but he's grateful of the sacrifice of those who saved him and defeated the evil Nazis, so I read it as "war is terrible but necessary sometimes." An anti war movie is The Thin Red Line where you don't get the sense that any of the soldiers really give a shit about defeating the japanese and they'd rather be somewhere else. That's why Jim Caviziel's character keeps defecting.

  9. do I need to have the same feelings as the soldire on the battle to understand what this is all about? The safety of my movie theater seat gives me the ability to think about war as a whole without getting interrupted – if I would stand on a battlefield I would not think about my location, or if my side started the war, or if it's necessary, good or bad, I would think nothing my head would be empty I only would be some kind of reflex

  10. Yknow personally I think Chris Kyle believing he’s doing the right thing is meant to show how he’s lying to himself and ignoring the fact that nothing he is doing in the military is helping his family

  11. I don’t know how anyone could think that war is unnecessary. Of course. Certain wars could certainly be said to be unnecessary. But war is necessary.

  12. Yeah Saving Private Ryan’s DDay scene may be one of the greatest war scenes in any war film, though I didn’t really feel much from it. But the one film that really hit me hard was The Deer Hunter; that fking film left me broken.

    Edit: I also believe neither pro nor anti war are alone the right choice.
    Example WW2 was a necessary war ti fight the Axis powers; Vietnam was not, it was pointless.
    So an audience member can still get a pro-war sentiment from Saving Private Ryan and an anti-war feeling from the Helicopter/Ride if the Valkyries scene in Apocalypse Now. It varies in interpretation and it’s all person to person.
    To me American Sniper felt anti-war, showcasing how it might still be a necessary thing, but horrible and scaring nevertheless.

  13. I think Spielberg means that film is anti war as a whole because while you're watching a filn you basically can't be harming anyone / really at s physical war. If you were in war you wouldn't be able to sit there for 2 hours and watch a movie or you'd die. So there for the act of watching cinema is, in itself, anti war.

  14. Surprised you didn't talk about Starship Troopers. That film is the perfect film to analyse when talking about pro and anti war films

  15. I think, more than anything, the tribalist nature of most movies–that they focus on only one unit of militia or side of the war, as opposed to both sides, in a way that doesn't paint either one as "evil"–prevents most war films from being truly being anti-war.

    If we define an anti-war film as "any movie that paints war in a negative light, where the cost of the war outweighs the benefits", a condition of that premise is that the movie must make the results of war ugly from every angle, no matter how you look at it. Because the second someone walks away from it thinking "man, that was pretty cool", it has suddenly become propaganda.

  16. "There is no anti-war film, because in your seat, you are safe from war" seems like a an asshole thing to say. I don't need to get shot, to understand that it hurts and is bad. I don't need to get cancer to have enough motivation to donate to cancer research. As someone who never was in war, I won't TRULY understand the horrors of war, but I can still learn that it's bad from a movie.
    I don't watch a war movie and then go to a veteran and say "i know what you've been through". Does that make it impossible to show that war is bad?

  17. I think Pro-War and Anti-War is often an oversimplification of something. I think most people who care about the well being of other humans dislike war, but most people probably think circumstances made some wars necessary. Ex: WWII is obviously horrific and bad, but other notable countries should have engaged in war with Hitler- if anytime- sooner than they did to put that monster down. Same with the Japanese. WWI, on the other hand, is messier, more senseless, lead to WWII and unfairly pinned most of the blame for the war on the Germans, causing the German people to live in extreme poverty.

  18. American Sniper is definitely an anti-war movie. How can you say it is pro-war after the film goes in-depth about the mental impact war has on an individual? I just don't understand your argument

  19. purpose of film is to remove you from the actual situation and action so that you can be a pure observer and not a percipient, it's a secret window that you are peering through, it gives you a greater perspective.

  20. Think of the Sgt. York film from the days immediately before ww2.
    It was a call to arms, "hey, there's some shit going on over seas again, and we ought to help the people who need it"
    Alvin York himself didn't want to fight or kill (didn't want to kill people, he did hunt regularly and that helped his ability as a rifleman)
    He originally was a 'conscious objector' and in the end, he became a hero only because he did what was right in a crucial moment.
    After the war, he tried to do the dog and pony show, but he soon realized that he just wanted to go home and he didn't want to be a hero (99%of any money he ever got went to charity and if you want a reason to hate our government, look up the time the IRS sued the most decorated hero of his generation for money he never had)

    My point: the perfect war film can both glorify and deter the idea of war.

    And even the most action packed war movies, remember that the little old man who you see at the convenience store with his veteran baseball hat used to be one of those badasses.
    Those action movies looses their cool factor when you remember that a gross majority of them take their violence from reality

  21. I made an anti war slideshow 6 years ago, its maybe a bit naive ? To see it just type in the searchbar above this title……War is not heroic

  22. I think a good way to make a genuine anti war film is to make a film where not only does the main character, and furthermore any enjoyable character, die; but also they die needlessly. No heroic sacrifices, no winning the battle or the war for that matter. A film where you meet the enemy and the enemy is just as human as the characters we're viewing the perspective of.

  23. It depends on the audience's perception of war. I'm sure American Sniper is considered "anti-war" by Mr. Eastwood, but it's main audience sees Chris Kyle as a hero

  24. If you are talking about movies that hit you like a train: The hurt locker. Not a standard war movie but it showed the troubles the soldiers go through, how in war (almost) nothing is black or white everything is grey. Eventhough it does not even have a very direct story line it is very emotional and devastating.

  25. "American Sniper" is more offensive to me, since i watched "Letters from Iwo Jima" and was completely unaware of the director… until the end.
    that shit made me shiver… that a American Director could capture the Japanese Struggle to survive in such a opressive regime.

    the f*ck happened to you, Clint…

  26. Love the videos but I can’t agree with this one. The difference you had drawn from saving private Ryan and American sniper is that the flash back pulled us into the war and showed the horrors of it. You also said that Chris said he done the right thing which makes it a necessary evil. If you look At a seen in American sniper where Chris is at the birthday party and the scene of the dog playing with the kids is as much of a flash back to when the terrorist drilled into that civilian as it is for, Tom Hanks character at the cemetery. Furthermore in saving private Ryan when they run into the radar tower and the MG position one of his men gets killed and he said he done it for the better of the rest of the platoon when they’d have to come through and clear it out. They’re both anti war films.

  27. War is always hell, and rooting for a certain side in war isn't being "pro-war". If your country is being invaded and you support your side for fighting back, is that pro-war? And glorifying the heroes who do that fighting is not pro-war either.

  28. American Sniper is not an pro-war movie. His obsession with war tears him away from his family. After returning from Iraq, he can no longer function in society. His pro-war comments are ironic, showing he is ignorant to the toll war has taken on him.

  29. Did it ever occur to anyone that they might have made American Sniper just to tell the fascinating and amazing story of Chris Kyle, and not as propaganda against the Iraq war, or indeed, all wars?

  30. if a movie is pro or anti war is a concept only espectators can tell because with the same scene of war it doesnt matter how many film resources you use everyone uis going to see it their way, for me steven spielberg is right because despite of the author intention every war film is showing war which for me is terrifying

  31. I wonder if the d day seen would have been more striking if the shot of the obstacles had been removed and the smash cut had gone straight to a shot of the landing craft with all the noise and chaos

  32. I think we could use so more middle ground war films. A movie that shows a lot of the bad parts of war but also the good part

  33. Fine exposition on the two types discussion despite your stumbling on Francois's name…see what i did there?

  34. Man I wished, "nothing new on the western front" would be mentioned, it begins with a hype of war, everyone wants to fight but it slowly turns, the soldiers are confronted with the real face of war, war is bloody, war is cruel and war is unfair, they start to see the reality but it is to late they are allready in there.
    The movie is just great, it shows why pro-war will turn out badly and it is the perspective of a german man in WWI so nearly no glory is shown.

  35. I made an anti war thing in 2012 on here, to see it just type in the following title to the search bar above……War is not heroic

  36. I dont think war is something that we should love or hate but something that we just have to accept as a part of humanity, its past and most likely its future.

  37. I think we are not desensitized by the screen or towards the movies in general but by media and towards our feelings and emphatatic side.

    If we would air two girl one cup on a movie theater I am sure we would get lots of "reaction". That is, people still can get sick from a film.

    Whenever I watch a war movie in the cinema I get disoriented and disgusted by the fact that the society is built on top of this kind of suffering.

    That is, some of us are still gives the "right" reaction to anti-war movies but some are so desensitized from feeling pain of the others or for used to feel only the pain of "us" but not "them" they can turn anything into a propaganda in their mind. Which cannot be generalized to all humans. Especially to the ones who suffered the hard and harsh consequences of a war.

  38. I always saw American sniper as a anti war film after seeing a video from stroytells explaining how it's anti war

  39. A war movie is a warrior standing proud with pain in his heart.

    It's something the slow civilian pampered majority can't see.

  40. someone on youtube explained the american sniper thing… if you think about it it's not a pro-war movie… it shows what war does to people's lives at home and how the main character after killing the big bad guy expected everything to change, but the years he spent fighting broke him

  41. I always get the feeling that The Thin Red Line always gets overlooked when it comes to great anti war movies. It came out at roughly the same time as Saving Private Ryan and is by far the superior movie.

  42. Good video an analysis, however a point that stuck to me was the claim that Chris Kyle in American Sniper makes the movie pro-war. No, he saw the attack on the US rights to justify the attack on the middle east, and during that time that he signed up, whether or not he agreed with the war, the simplest way to put it, is that he protected (as best he could) his fellow brothers. He said that he "was just protecting my guys" not that he was fighting for America, or that he was pushing the battlefield in one favor or the other. The movie in all is anti-war. From the attacks on the US (obviously bad and caused by a different type of war, not a necessary battlefield one), to invading the middle east, to the effects of the people, both the civilians, the ones back home, the ones that get to survive and go back home, and those around. They are all affected by war in a negative way. The movie was not about war or promoting it. It was and is about fighting for what you believe in (not meaning pro war), protecting others, and doing good (like spending time with other veterans)

  43. The difference between saving private Ryan's D-day and American sniper is that in the D-day scene we never see the source of fire it always seems to sprout from the mud, that perpetuates chaos because you feel trapped and powerless with no idea how to stay alive however in American sniper we see clear camera shots on potential enemies from afar, the viewer is less threatened, and we are faced not with primal survival but slow consideration on who should be killed, how to do it and the greater good, it is the same detached political perspective you might get from a newspaper rather than the hellish in-the-mud experience

  44. Depends on the war honestly especially on if its a defensive war against someone who attacked you

    Even the most anti war people can agree that it would have been better to go fight ww2 than to let hitler just take over without a fight in the name of peace. On the other hand Vietnam is seen even by people who were over there fighting mostly as a pointless war in a far away land that couldnt have in a million years even tried to invade the US

  45. Video: "Does film still move us?"
    Me: Watches War film Oh thats sad.
    Me: Then watches Spiderman fade away
    Me again: Sheds a tear

  46. Did he mention come and see ? Did he say anything about russian movies ? Ok this video isnt serious.
    America can t make good war movies, because they never REALLY went to war. They dont know the trauma.

  47. The green berets was pro war and Stone saw it after he served in the Nam so in `86 made Platoon as anti war response to the green berets based on his personal experiences in the nam as a veteran of that dreadful war.

  48. I always say (simplified admittedly), there are no anti war films. And there are no pro war films. There are only war films. They show that war is pure horror, and yet that there is a reason why it is fought. Worth it or not worth it? Well that depends on each viewers look at the world, and on what war we are talking about. I have a hard time imagining that Saving Private Ryan – WW2 seen from the allies' perspective – is meant as anti-war film. If there ever were people on earth with a good reason to go to war, it was the folks at Omaha Beach. The ones that came by boat I mean.

  49. If we hold to this opinion expressed by the narrator then a documentary about open heart surgery that was realistic would be labeled as anti surgery? A film about how automobiles would rend to make viewers fear cars? I know a person that doesn’t like to watch Starship Troopers because of the bugs. Is it shot as realistic. People were frightened by the flying monkeys in the Wizard of Oz and parents reported their children did not was to visit the zoo later because monkeys might be there. Thinking a film is anti something because it tries to as realistically portray scenes as best it can with the technology of the day seem a bit skewed. Especially something like Saving Pvt Ryan. My father now in his mid 90’s went through that war. Most everyone passing judgement on the horrors of the depression and ww2 are generations removed. When I view SPR I don’t see anything really negative or positive. I see events that are trying to be told from certain viewpoints and a microcosm of large events. Small units with vague orders and ambitious goals doing what they thought at the time was the right thing to do. Nothing more. Nothing less.

  50. "American Sniper is a pro-war film"
    That made me think of an aspect you haven't mention: cultural and educational backround of the viewer.

    For me, American Sniper is an anti-war film.
    I am not a very emotional person. But watching the film I had a constant feeling like I have to puke and was crying 20 minutes straight. Seeing the (self-)destruction of that man made me feel like watching Requiem for a Dream.
    But why do I react so differently? I live in Germany, went to school here ect. In our understanding the war and the rhethoric are deeply connected. And with rhethoric I don't mean speaking loud or quiet, fast or slow, but using and avoiding certain words, praise and despise certain aspects of war and, even more interesting, ignoring some aspects.
    So in my perspective war starts in a democracy if people want war or at least accept war. So for me the words which bring people into war and the words which let people keep fighting, are a huge aspect of war itself. I think a lot of Germans can somehow relate to that. Here in Germany, one of the most powerful anti-war movies is "All quiet on the Western Front" and for a lot of people one of the most powerful moments is actually the home visit: How his teacher is still inspiring a new class to enlist by talking about the glory and honor or the three fat old man are discussing the progress of war in a bar with a cupple of beer mugs ("You just have to attack them a little more south…. Just beat up the damn French…"). I interpretate it mainly as concrete, horrofying examples of the normally just abstactly called propaganda. I read some US reviews which just summarized it as PTSD.

    Watching "American Sniper", I paid a critical attention to all the phrases, and saw the contrast between the promised pride and glory in the name of the USA and the caused, real, shattered spirit. Seeing it for that point of view it made me very sad that even his funeral was about pride and glory in the name of the USA.

    I don't want to discuss different points of view about war and morality. I just want to point out how much a perception of a film changes depending on the viewer.

  51. Generation war (original unsere Mütter unsere väter) ja One of the best anti war movies in ww2
    I think as a losing side in this war it is easier to find a pretty depressing message in this film

  52. The movie that made me feel the strangest regarding this topic has to be Talvisota, telling the story of the Winter War from the Finns' perspective.
    All the pointless death and destruction, the heroism of a small force fighting a war they cannot hope to win. The brutality on those soldiers psyche, having to fight off tanks, artillery and aircraft with almost no equipment of their own.

  53. A great driver once said,

    "Dear Frederick, thank you for your nice letter, but I am actually a U.S. Marine who was born to kill whereas clearly you have mistaken me for some sort of wine-sipping Communist dick-suck. And although peace probably appeals to tree-loving bisexuals like you and your parents, I happen to be a death-dealing, blood-crazed warrior who wakes up every day just hoping for the chance to dismember my enemies and defile their civilizations.
    Peace sucks a hairy asshole, Freddy.

    War

    is the motherfucking answer." -A Teenage Dirtbag

    baby

  54. You'll never meet a more anti-war individual, than a man who has to endure it as a combatant…

    I'll never say I'm anti-war… Because such conflicts as World War 2 or the American Civil War, were necessary wars to be fought…

    But I am strongly against pointless wars with no end goal (Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam). Having served in Afghanistan, I can say, from my perspective, there is NO reason we need to be there anymore…

  55. I disagree, american sniper progressively shows how kyle does all things guided by his concept of family, both his biological and political family (nation) but once he is deployed, the mood shifts, the rift that war and the military causes becomes greater and greater. Although Kyle left the warzone, the war never left kyle. The atrocities, the death, the sensations all there. He can only go back to war. And over time this means he could no longer stand being with his actual family. When thid reaches its climax, Kyle snaps out and finally decides to leave war behind but the damage still is there, the missed years of his kidsc thevtorn relationship. He sorts manges to keep it all under controll. He seems he almost overcomes war, and then, the war reaches out to kyle, and kills him.

    I can only see American sniper as how war only destroys families (on both sides, just like Kyle had to kill thebenemy sniper which was also protecting his familiy and also protecting his brothers) and how war will always kill you, either in the field, mentally or as a collateral like in the case of Kyle.

    Also, we dont see kyle achieving much other than destruction of his family

  56. Yeahhh, I have to wholeheartedly disagree with your assessment that American Sniper is pro-war. Did we even watch the same movie?

    Chris Kyle doesn’t actually believe that he always did the right thing. He doesn’t think that he did a good thing, killing that mom and her son. He’s trying to make himself believe that, but it’s not what he really feels. That is painfully obvious throughout the movie.

  57. American Sniper is profoundly anti war, but in a way that is very supportive of the soldiers that fight in them.

  58. There is no pro war. You connect with characters. Saving Private Ryan could have been Saving Private Reinholtz. We want to care for whome we see. That’s the point of movies.

  59. lets imagine the saving of private james ryan as an anti war film. the film begins from your perspective. we see around 16seconds, get hit by a bullet and then there is just a black screen for the rest of it. yeah. guess that would make some pro war kids rethink their patriotism.

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