Rob Legato: The art of creating awe

Rob Legato: The art of creating awe

Translator: Joseph Geni
Reviewer: Morton Bast I worked on a film called “Apollo 13,” and when I worked on this film, I discovered something about how our brains work, and how our brains work is that, when we’re sort of infused with either enthusiasm or awe or fondness or whatever, it changes and alters our perception of things. It changes what we see. It changes what we remember. And as an experiment, because I dauntingly create a task for myself of recreating a Saturn V launch for this particular movie, because I put it out there, I felt a little nervous about it, so I need to do an experiment and bring a group of people like this in a projection room and play this stock footage, and when I played this stock footage, I simply wanted to find out what people remembered, what was memorable about it? What should I actually try to replicate? What should I try to emulate to some degree? So this is the footage that I was showing everybody. And what I discovered is, because of the nature of the footage and the fact that we’re doing this film, there was an emotion that was built into it and our collective memories of what this launch meant to us and all these various things. When I showed it, and I asked, immediately after the screening was over, what they thought of it, what was your memorable shots, they changed them. They were — had camera moves on them. They had all kinds of things. Shots were combined, and I was just really curious, I mean, what the hell were you looking at just a few minutes ago and how come, how’d you come up with this sort of description? And what I discovered is, what I should do is not actually replicate what they saw, is replicate what they remembered. So this is our footage of the launch, based on, basically, taking notes, asking people what they thought, and then the combination of all the different shots and all the different things put together created their sort of collective consciousness of what they remembered it looked like, but not what it really looked like. So this is what we created for “Apollo 13.” (Launch noises) So literally what you’re seeing now is the confluence of a bunch of different people, a bunch of different memories, including my own, of taking a little bit of liberty with the subject matter. I basically shot everything with short lenses, which means that you’re very close to the action, but framed it very similarly to the long lens shots which gives you a sense of distance, so I was basically was setting up something that would remind you of something you haven’t really quite seen before. (Music) And then I’m going to show you exactly what it is that you were reacting to when you were reacting to it. (Music) Tom Hanks: Hello, Houston, this is Odyssey. It’s good to see you again. (Cheers) (Music) Rob Legato: I pretend they’re clapping for me. (Laughter) So now I’m in a parking lot. Basically it’s a tin can, and I’m basically recreating the launch with fire extinguishers, fire, I have wax that I threw in front of the lens to look like ice, and so basically if you believed any of the stuff that I just showed you, what you were reacting to, what you’re emoting to, is something that’s a total falsehood, and I found that really kind of fascinating. And in this particular case, this is the climax of the movie, and, you know, the weight of achieving it was simply take a model, throw it out of a helicopter, and shoot it. And that’s simply what I did. That’s me shooting, and I’m a fairly mediocre operator, so I got that nice sense of verisimilitude, of a kind of, you know, following the rocket all the way down, and giving that little sort of edge, I was desperately trying to keep it in frame. So then I come up to the next thing. We had a NASA consultant who was actually an astronaut, who was actually on some of the missions, of Apollo 15, and he was there to basically double check my science. And, I guess somebody thought they needed to do that. (Laughter) I don’t know why, but they thought they did. So we were, he’s a hero, he’s an astronaut, and we’re all sort of excited, and, you know, I gave myself the liberty of saying, you know, some of the shots I did didn’t really suck that bad. And so maybe, you know, we were feeling kind of a little good about it, so I brought him in here, and he needed to really check and see what we were doing, and basically give us our A plus report card, and so I showed him some shots we were working on, and waiting for the reaction that you hope for, which is what I got. (Music) (Launch noises) So I showed him these two shots, and then he basically told me what he thought. (“That’s wrong”) (Laughter) Okay. (Laughter) It’s what you dream about. (Laughter) So what I got from him is, he turned to me and said, “You would never, ever design a rocket like that. You would never have a rocket go up while the gantry arms are going out. Can you imagine the tragedy that could possibly happen with that? You would never, ever design a rocket like that.” And he was looking at me. It’s like, Yeah, I don’t know if you noticed, but I’m the guy out in the parking lot recreating one of America’s finest moments with fire extinguishers. (Laughter) And I’m not going to argue with you. You’re an astronaut, a hero, and I’m from New Jersey, so — (Laughter) I’m just going to show you some footage. I’m just going to show you some footage, and tell me what you think. And then I did kind of get the reaction I was hoping for. So I showed him this, and this is actual footage that he was on. This is Apollo 15. This was his mission. So I showed him this, and the reaction I got was interesting. (“That’s wrong too.”) (Laughter) So, and what happened was, I mean, what I sort of intuned in that is that he remembered it differently. He remembered that was a perfectly safe sort of gantry system, perfectly safe rocket launch, because he’s sitting in a rocket that has, like, a hundred thousand pounds of thrust, built by the lowest bidder. He was hoping it was going to work out okay. (Laughter) (Applause) So he twisted his memory around. Now, Ron Howard ran into Buzz Aldrin, who was not on the movie, so he had no idea that we were faking any of this footage, and he just responded as he would respond, and I’ll run this. Ron Howard: Buzz Aldrin came up to me and said, “Hey, that launch footage, I saw some shots I’d never seen before. Did you guys, what vault did you find that stuff in?” And I said, “Well, no vault, Buzz, we generated all that from scratch.” And he said, “Huh, that’s pretty good. Can we use it?” (Explosion) (“Sure”) (Laughter) RL: I think he’s a great American. (Laughter) So, “Titanic” was, if you don’t know the story, doesn’t end well. (Laughter) Jim Cameron actually photographed the real Titanic. So he basically set up, or basically shattered the suspension of disbelief, because what he photographed was the real thing, a Mir sub going down, or actually two Mir subs going down to the real wreck, and he created this very haunting footage. It’s really beautiful, and it conjures up all these various different emotions, but he couldn’t photograph everything, and to tell the story, I had to fill in the gaps, which is now rather daunting, because now I have to recreate back to back what really happened and I had, I’m the only one who could really blow it at that point. So this is the footage he photographed, and it was pretty moving and pretty awe-inspiring. So I’m going to just let it run, so you kind of absorb this sort of thing, and I’ll describe my sort of reactions when I was looking at it for the very first time. I got the feeling that my brain wanted to basically see it come back to life. I automatically wanted to see this ship, this magnificent ship, basically in all its glory, and conversely, I wanted to see it not in all its glory, basically go back to what it looks like. So I conjured up an effect that I’m later going to show you what I tried to do, which is kind of the heart of the movie, for me, and so that’s why I wanted to do the movie, that’s why I wanted to create the sort of things I created. And I’ll show you, you know, another thing that I found interesting is what we really were emoting to when you take a look at it. So here’s the behind the scenes, a couple of little shots here. So, when you saw my footage, you were seeing this: basically, a bunch of guys flipping a ship upside down, and the little Mir subs are actually about the size of small footballs, and shot in smoke. Jim went three miles went down, and I went about three miles away from the studio and photographed this in a garage. And so, but what you’re emoting to, or what you’re looking at, had the same feeling, the same haunting quality, that Jim’s footage had, so I found it so fascinating that our brains sort of, once you believe something’s real, you transfer everything that you feel about it, this quality you have, and it’s totally artificial. It’s totally make-believe, yet it’s not to you, and I found that that was a very interesting thing to explore and use, and it caused me to create the next effect that I’ll show you, which is this sort of magic transition, and all I was really attempting to do is basically have the audience cue the effect, so it became a seamless experience for them, that I wasn’t showing you my sort of interpretation, I was showing you what you wanted to see. And the very next shot, right after this — So you can see what I was doing. So basically, if there’s two subs in the same shot, I shot it, because where’s the camera coming from? And when Jim shot it, it was only one sub, because he was photographing from the other, and I don’t remember if I did this or Jim did this. I’ll give it to Jim, because he could use the pat on the back. (Laughter) Okay. So now the Titanic transition. So this is what I was referring to where I wanted to basically magically transplant from one state of the Titanic to the other. So I’ll just play the shot once. (Music) (Music) And what I was hoping for is that it just melts in front of you. Gloria Stuart: That was the last time Titanic ever saw daylight. RL: So, what I did is basically I had another screening room experience where I was basically tracking where I was looking, or where we were looking, and of course you’re looking at the two people on the bow of the ship, and then at some point, I’m changing the periphery of the shot, I’m changing, it’s becoming the rusted wreck, and then I would run it every day, and then I would find exactly the moment that I stopped looking at them and start noticing the rest of it, and the moment my eye shifted, we just marked it to the frame. The moment my eye shifted, I immediately started to change them, so now somehow you missed where it started and where it stopped. And so I’ll just show it one more time. (Music) And it’s literally done by using what our brains naturally do for us, which is, as soon as you shift your attention, something changes, and then I left the little scarf going, because it really wanted to be a ghostly shot, really wanted to feel like they were still on the wreck, essentially. That’s where they were buried forever. Or something like that. I just made that up. (Laughter) It was, incidentally, the last time I ever saw daylight. It was a long film to work on. (Laughter) Now, “Hugo” was another interesting movie, because the movie itself is about film illusions. It’s about how our brain is tricked into seeing a persistence of vision that creates a motion picture, and one of the things I had to do is, we — Sasha Baron Cohen is a very clever, very smart guy, comedian, wanted to basically do an homage to the kind of the Buster Keaton sort of slapstick things, and he wanted his leg brace to get caught on a moving train. Very dangerous, very impossible to do, and particularly on our stage, because there literally is no way to actually move this train, because it fits so snugly into our set. So let me show you the scene, and then I basically used the trick that was identified by Sergei Eisenstein, which is, if you have a camera that’s moving with a moving object, what is not moving appears to be moving, and what is moving appears to be stopped, so what you’re actually seeing now is the train is not moving at all, and what is actually moving is the floor. So this is the shot. That’s a little video of what you’re looking at there, which is our little test, so that’s actually what you’re seeing, and I thought it was sort of an interesting thing, because it was, part of the homage of the movie itself is coming up with this sort of genius trick which I can’t take credit for. I’d love to but I can’t, because it was invented like in 1910 or something like that, is I told Marty, and it’s kind of one of those mind things that it’s really hard to really get until you actually see it work, and I said, you know, what I was going to do, and he said, “So, let me see if I can get this straight. The thing with the wheels? That doesn’t move.” (Laughter) (Applause) “And the thing without the wheels, that moves.” Precisely. (Laughter) Brings me to the next, and final — Marty’s not going to see this, is he? (Laughter) This isn’t viewed outside of — (Laughter) The next illustration is something that, there’s like all one shot theory. It’s a very elegant way of telling a story, especially if you’re following somebody on a journey, and that journey basically tells something about their personality in a very concise way, and what we wanted to do based on the shot in “Goodfellas,” which is one of the great shots ever, a Martin Scorsese film, of basically following Henry Hill through what it feels like to be a gangster walk going through the Copacabana and being treated in a special way. He was the master of his universe, and we wanted Hugo to feel the same way, so we created this shot. (Music) That’s Hugo. (Music) And we felt that if we could basically move the camera with him, we would feel what it feels like to be this boy who is basically the master of his universe, and his universe is, you know, behind the scenes in the bowels of this particular train station that only he can actually navigate through and do it this way, and we had to make it feel that this is his normal, everyday sort of life, so the idea of doing it as one shot was very important, and of course, in shooting in 3D, which is basically it’s a huge camera that’s hanging off of a giant stick, so to recreate a steadycam shot was the task, and make it feel kind of like what the reaction you got when you saw the “Goodfellas” shot. So what you’re now going to see is how we actually did it. It’s actually five separate sets shot at five different times with two different boys. The one on the left is where the shot ends, and the shot on the right is where it takes over, and now we switch boys, so it went from Asa Butterfield, who’s the star of the show, to his stand-in. (Music) I wouldn’t say his stunt double. There’s a crazy rig that we built for this. (Music) And so this is, and now this is set number three we’re into, and then we’re going to go into, basically the very last moment of the shot is actually the steadycam shot. Everything else was shot on cranes and various things like that, and it literally was done over five different sets, two different boys, different times, and it all had to feel like it was all one shot, and what was sort of great for me was it was probably the best-reviewed shot I’ve ever worked on, and, you know, I was kind of proud of it when I was done, which is, you should never really be proud of stuff, I guess. So I was kind of proud of it, and I went to a friend of mine, and said, “You know, this is, you know, kind of the best-reviewed shot I’ve ever worked on. What do you think was the reason?” And he said, “Because no one knows you had anything to do with it.” (Laughter) So, all I can say is, thank you, and that’s my presentation for you. (Applause) (Applause)

100 thoughts on “Rob Legato: The art of creating awe

  1. Rubbish. Its fundamental failure is that none of his stuff created any awe. Neil Armstrong was not famed for being an expert in effects shot realism, his Apollo launch shots look like effects, the good Titanic shots were real, and the Hugo clip was like Episode 1 of Secrets of Hollywood.

  2. No, but they should be shunned as idiots. People like to deny facts in the name of fantasy. If we were to put every idiots in jail there would not be many people left on the street, there would be no end to it. Anyways, mind me asking, what made you ask that question on this specific video?

  3. He's a terrible speaker. His special effects are terrible and he gets paid way too much money for this fucking bologna. SORRY! I'm not in awe. Yeah, you sure made us beleive a bunch of spacemen passed through the Vann Allenn belt and were able to survive out in space. GOOD JOB! Titanic sucked. Only Americans worship a stupid movie about a big blow heart ship that fucking sank. Awe inspiring!

  4. lol…dude you are angry. I've never considered being so angry at a special effects guy. Im assuming you know him or resemblance to Chris Christie is just too much to bear.

  5. I remember when jewish people were nice. Now you are all a bunch big mouth fascists. Now we gotta bow down and spell your stupid meatballs and soup correctly. The 21st century sucks.

  6. I beg to differ with only one of your statements "he gets paid way too much money for this fucking bologna." I'm afraid I don't. My wife will back me up on this and is perhaps more upset at this fact than I am. It should read "he does not get paid nearly enough money for this fucking bologna."

  7. Ha ha ha ha, ok, "robert." You fucking crackpots are hilarious. If you are "robert" or not you get paid WAY TOO MUCH you fucking fraud. Go play with your toys and stop complaining. You got it made..robert or no robert. You are obviously arguing for this hackery called art in the scumhole called Hollywood. "ROBERT."

  8. I'm responding to the comments made below…… Which 'aliens' communicate and insult one another in such ugly language and with such hate and venom! Like a monster behind the steering wheel and behind closed windows! And all this simply because of a difference of opinion!

  9. Robert sucks. I'm sick and tired of graphic arts morons owning the show. They make generic art and they dumb down the population. Stupid Americans love their stupid digi-art. Fuck off.

  10. Oh im sorry…I dont have time for details…well maybe I doo…before I get back to my job as a graphic artist. I just have to copy and paste the submarines used to find the titanic. I'll do a little air brushing to get rid of the rust off the sunk ship…..make it look historically accurate. Then I can call myself a genius. Get paid a hundred thousands dollars (which isn't enough money in my world) and do a lecture on TED about how fucking awesome I am. I carry myself well, dont I?

  11. there are currently 90% of the American public that makes shit and I'm gonna bet you get around a hundred grand a year–maybe more–for these gigs. In your world, that's not enough money. Hilarious. You're a go airbrush something else with your toy models.

  12. By the way, water should not be applied to your burn, this will cause scarring, as well as the water only has a minimal effect in revealing burn pains.
    So with that said:
    Apply aloe gel to burn.

  13. >"He's a terrible speaker. — I'm not in awe."
    >"GOOD JOB! — Awe inspiring!"

    Come back when you've made up your mind. Actually.. don't! πŸ™‚

    Props to Robert his humility.

  14. I bet you also believe that marijuana kills your brain cells and also causes you to rape white women and that it kills more than tobacco.

  15. By the all the comments. You bunch of Hollywood fucking rats really now how to being it back, don't ya. After all, you are the shithole propaganda arm of the nation. Thanks for the responses! πŸ™‚

  16. Are you jealous? I think you are simply jealous. And now, because so many people hate you, and you look like such an idiot… that you are too full of pride to simply leave this video alone and walk away.

  17. Hate? Jealousy? Sounds like life has treated you pretty well. Enjoy your good fortune! Yay! You win! All is well when wallet is well! Yay! Oh and by the way, This bullshitter gets paid way too much for doing these shit films. I might have forgotten to tell you that πŸ˜‰

  18. Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically Basically

    I counted over 9000.
    That's a lotta basically.
    You want nuts with that?

  19. To be fair, this person's name is "Nulla Pecunia"; it doesn't take a lot of money to exceed those limits.

    On another note, it's amazing how people often seem to have a username that is directly connected with what they are commenting on…

    Anyway. I liked your perspectives! Go claim your money:)

  20. @ Nulla Pecunia : Where do you get this idea that americans worship these movies? They are great movies but they are by no means worshiped haha, but not to give them credit as you are and just insulting them as well as the people who worked hard to make them just makes you look like an ignorant asshole πŸ™‚ do the world a favor and get off the internet, (Dont be sad, I know this is where all idiots go to gather) but really its for the best πŸ™‚

  21. our minds see what they want to see, very interesting.
    the computers' screens in "Alien"s spaceship look ages old in today's standard, but the scenes were totally immersive in 1980's.
    I watched that movie when I was a boy and I could not stood up when the movie was over because of horror.

  22. Love that American education. It's awesome to know that you havent learned metaphor, simile, or analogy and you're a fully grown adult. Huhhhhhhh?

  23. No really, a troll streams advertisements and commentary that have nothing to do with the video or person speaking. I really really dont like how Hollywood and its servants have dumbed down the arts. They feed this crap to the general public and leave the good stuff for their fancy art galleries in Beverly Hills. Why dont you fuck yourself. The entertainment system in America SUUUUUCKS and I dont have to like it, buddy.

  24. Im no going to argue with you about you being a troll. You should just know that you are nothing more than an angry little troll. Have a nice day!

  25. so he had a nasa consultant from apollo 15 who personally remembered how they faked the stuff 40 yrs ago.
    well he certainly learned things he hadnt even dreamed off, when they used the stoneage filmtrickery back then.:)

    thats why the astronot thought it was fake when he was shown "real footage" (cough cough) from apollo 15 at 5:45 : "thats wrong too", because even this astronot himself cant believe today that they used this crappy 60s b-movie filmtricks and ppl still believe in that crap.

  26. Do you think I'm going to let you and your propagandistic little tyrannical scumbags know where I live? LOLOLOLOL Fuck your business, you little shit. See…when you say "transcendent country" that a jab at other countries without your wealth, your trashy films, your streamlined corporate totalitarian ideology…you're scum.This country is the fucking Titanic. Life is good for the wealthy filmmaking scum you associate with, but it's hell for the rest of us. Finally, youre father. PLEASE.ha ha ha

  27. Very interesting and even more so when your trying to make a film to catch the right look to present- it can be a real mind game if you don't have help and resources to work with to create the effects- I've experienced. And mind games take time and relentless attempts. Thanks for the inspiration to keep at it.

    I am a filmmaker also, Check out my Channel.
    I have so much respect for Rob Legato, especially after watching this.

  29. Overpaid whore? The behind the scenes guys are NOT overpaid. Plus…they're the ones that actually create the magic of cinema. It's the actors, if anyone, who are overpaid. Fuck man…do you not love movies? Who doesn't love movies? The people that bring these things to life are to be celebrated. It's a modern art form…probably the highest modern art form. And you're pissy because they got PAID for their WORK? What have you ever made that inspired millions of people? Not much, right?

  30. The number of ALL CAPS in your stupid comment pretty much sum up your IQ. I must say though, I'm shocked you knew how to spell bologna. Good job on that. As for the rest of your comment, you clearly seem to be one of those "we didn't really go to the moon" conspiracy theory types. I'm also guessing you're 15 and not very familiar with reality. If you aren't 15…then wow…you sure have a lot to learn about and become humble about. Piss off, is what I really want to say. Piss…off.

  31. I really feel the word 'awe' is overused.

    I mean; yes, what you did looked cool and was maybe entertaining, but at no point did it inspire awe.

    In my opinion (and my experience) awe is something more likely to be experienced in real life, it doesn't really come across on-screen.

  32. what do you expect from someone called "nulla pecunia"? He has, by his own admission, zero money and he's aggravated at those among us who do. Case closed

  33. I've looked at most of the observations on here but I feel it's a excellent youtube video. My older brother simply would like to get extraordinary with women of all ages. He studied a fuck load from a site called Master Attraction. (Google it.) The recommendations for how to get women at night clubs from Master Attraction got him his first fucks in more than a number of long years. I'm pissed though given that I heard them all. Grrrr.

  34. He does seem pretty dispassionate. Other talks at Ted have so much energy. He was pretty close to merely going through the motions.

  35. some of the most satisfying careers are those where they only notice you if something goes wrong. Β I love being a mechanical engineer.

  36. Good piece. Even film makers with years of experience can learn somehting from this talk.
    Interesting thoughts about perception of the audience between what they thought they saw as opposed to waht was actually in the shot.

  37. 1:46

    "What they remember."

    A lot of people have that way about them. Like many who claim we saw Bambi's Mom getting shot in that film, or that we actually saw the human stand-in for Jabba the Hutt back in 1977, all sorts of ways the mind convinces us that we saw what we didn't.

  38. The best thing about Ted Talks, along with learning information, is that we get to know the geniuses behind the great works we have witnessed.

  39. I was 12 when I saw Apollo 13 on cinema and 14 when I saw Titanic I really want to revisit those films especially Titanic

  40. This guy made me think of a toned down Liberace! Compliment by the way. Truly fascinating talk from a man with charisma.BRAVO

  41. He said there at the end "because no knows you had anything to do with it," and it has also been said, "he who plants a tree, knowing he will never sit in its shade, has begun to understand the meaning of life."

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