"MODELS FOR ARTISTS" - Body Kun/Chan - What's the Deal??...

"MODELS FOR ARTISTS" – Body Kun/Chan – What's the Deal??…



get out this and you have and welcome to draw with jazz I'm jazzy and today I'm going to be looking at and reviewing the body kuhn and body cham models for artists or at least that's what they're called officially on website these are supposed to be like super highly poseable realistically proportioned manipulatable figures and I mean look some of these poses and and some of the ways they can be positioned and use seems pretty cool but are they practical are they worth the money and I mean what's the what's the point of them is there anything you get out of these that you can't get anywhere else I don't actually know but what I do know is I've seen those ads on the Instagram a ridiculous amount of times and I thought you know what I bet you guys have too and I bet some of you are probably wondering what's the point just like I have so I bit the bullet I got one of each and I thought I would open them up show you what they come like and I have a bit of a play and and I guess just share my thoughts and opinions with you now I have in the past a very long time ago gotten one of those like cheap wooden mannequin knee looking things for the intent of posing it and using it as a reference and as most of you who I've ever done that know it's really bad reference it's just it's not poseable and not manipulatable and I guess these are supposed to be the answer to that so I guess we'll start off with the male body kuhn figure we have a little booklet do I come with a laptop where's my little laptop oh my god little things there is a laptop got a gun and a old school cell phone and a tablet and a laptop oh oh and there and a proper new cell phone isn't that cool and of course you know samurai sword just for good measure oh and look at this it's a little articulated arm that goes into the back so you can pose them and you can have them floating and doing a kick thing I don't know doesn't feel like super super durable but there are loads of different points of motion for each joint like for example just the shoulder here you can see that there's like this there's ball joint that sort of rolls around that's really cool but then there's this separate joint for the actual shoulder and then at the bottom of the shoulder there's another joint for the bicep to to turn and stuff so that's really cool so that way essentially in theory you can have an arm that's like this or like this and that's I don't know that seems pretty cool and you do have to be pretty careful it seems as you bend the joints so for example in the wrist there's it's like a ball joint but it also has a pivot in it so you have to find the direction of the pivot before you bend it back otherwise I guess you'll just break it which we don't want to do but the fact that everything seems to have like two joint placements so even just this head you've got the top of the head but you also have the bottom of the neck and that way you can actually position the neck to one side and have the head on the other and get this cool sorta you know attitude thing happening I don't know what you're talking about there you go we got the we got the shrug your shoulders nice and high tilted head and there we go that that is quite impressive as first impressions going I'm impressed so far I mean even look here at the elbows you'll notice that again there are two joints there's one that feeds into the forearm and one that feeds into the the upper arm the bicep and tricep doing that with the abdomen abdominal muscles is is really cool you've got the upper sort of diaphragm area for the bottom of the ribcage to rotate and then you've got the top of the pole I should mention this video isn't sponsored or anything probably need to clarify that I'm just sort of sharing my thoughts but it does feel a little more delicate than I personally feel comfortable handling I'm hoping it's durable enough to sort of handle me I will admit I was a bit of a GI Joe action man fan back in the day but I was also a bit of a Barbie fed I'm man enough to admit that every now and then action man settled down with Bobby and started family there was sometimes marital problems but they got through it with a bit of hard work as every relationship takes now I can't read the instructions because the box is all in I'm assuming Japanese yes I know some of those they're Japanese that one looks like a smiley face but I can see from the instructions that essentially the idea is that you pose them you take a photo of them so that you end up having your two-dimensional reference and play around with that a bit later will that will pose some of these take some photos and see how it is too just sort of sketch and play with I'm gonna say again first impressions that's really cool and it's got some cool stuff with it so fair enough all right I'm I'm paying attention now I'm gonna go through and open up these old boxes and then come back and have a bit of a look at them with ya all right so I've gone through unboxing all of these and there are a few things I've noticed in the process that I just want to highlight but I am getting as picky as I possibly can just to let you know everything I'm noticing in the experience for example the female figure the body Chan that was cool yeah the body Cham figure heals less premium to me than the body kuhn figure now i don't know if they have different processes or if it was just the luck of the draw and this one just was not as well molded as the other one a little bit to the linens fell off now man that didn't happen with the male figure right arm actually just came loose as I was unboxing it now I and there goes the shoulder is that broken pretend that didn't happen so the joint in that elbow feels a little weaker than I would like it to if I'm putting that stuff aside this is still a very highly poseable and very dynamic looking figure it does feel a little less malleable than the male one and just a little more fragile because it is much smaller another thing I realized in the process of unboxing these is actually that the hands are meant to stay on this little stair that comes with the packaging and they sit in here and you can actually put the hands on the left and right side of the stand I guess another thing I was very very slightly disappointed by it not in any major way but the fact that there isn't is asymmetry in the hand poses so we have a couple here on the right hand that we don't have in the left hand I would have hoped that you'd get one of each then we have the cheery figure which again feels probably even a little more cheaply built than the other two we've got some spare hands here and unfortunately this one doesn't have container to hold them in and the stand is a little less stable and actually you can see it has a bit of wobble here so it's not as premium as these other two figures with their very cool compartmentalize stance but I guess this is a much more Misha figure so so here's what I'm gonna do I'm gonna take a photo of each of these characters in a pose each and make them as dynamic give them as much of a personality as possible through their pose and then I'm also going to do a duet pose with the male and female in some sort of action or Romeo I don't know I'll figure it out but one where they're interacting and we get a bit of physicality and interactivity there so in total we'll have four photo references that on my phone I'm just gonna use and follow along with an egg egg egg I guess sketch from the two-dimensional reference of my three-dimensional figures here as cool as the initial novelty of opening and posing these figures was it became apparent pretty quickly about using them with any degree of fussiness was going to be a frustrating process I approached each pose and figure with a clear idea of what I wanted the pose to be but in every case there were compromises to the original vision based on various limitations whether they be the body parts not having enough flexibility to move where I wanted them to or things just looking generally awkward in the pose needing reworking the female figure in particular was really frustrating to work this might not be the case of the person using them as smaller and more deft hands than mine but regardless several of the hands didn't fit at all and because the figure is so delicate and finicky every time I tried to refine a small area of the pose a bunch of the other areas got knocked out or fell off or the props I was so carefully trying to get at a hold kept falling out and reintroducing them into the pose meant applying enough pressure to the model that everything was displaced and I needed to start again you can imagine this was frustrating enough but when I finally got her pose to a place I was almost satisfied with it took so long to position it in a way that made me feel like I could just say it was finished for example her eye line hand positions and arm positions looking really awkward or really natural was the difference by just a few millimeters or less and as you can imagine fixing one thing usually led to unfixing another no and that the chippy figure was just awkward and fragile in general so I mean that's all I really care to say about when it came to posing the male and female figures together I wanted to create a sense of intimacy and comfort and have them studying together I wasn't looking forward to this given my frustration so far but slowly and steadily I just worked at it until I came to a place I was okay with which was particularly tricky given the number of props I used and the fact that I didn't use stands for either of them to lean on but I got there in the end and from there having taken a photo of each of the poses moved on to creating a sketch all right so let's take a look at what we've done here our first figure pose and illustration oh look it's a bit tricky I was pretty rough with my illustrations and sketches but also as close to the positioning of the figure as possible now I think my illustrations look a bit flatter and now maybe that's something that these could be helpful to sort of help work on making things pop and sort of feel more three-dimensional but at the same time there are some just awkward parts of the poses and the limbs and in particular some of their hand and foot positions that aren't ideal especially if I tried to as literally as possible stick to the original photo as I sort of mentioned in the time-lapse there's a lot of a lot of compromise when it comes to getting the pose you want you can get close to it but when it really comes to fine-tuning it things really start to fall apart or get extremely frustrating however with that said I can see a lot of value in particularly if there are areas of weakness for example if you're not good at drawing men or women using a figure like this to just try and get the proportions right can be really useful also hand poses and how hands and foreshortening of limbs looks on different angles that I can definitely see as a strength of using this sort of system this however is completely garbage I'm gonna say the the Chiba doll not a fans really badly made compared to the other two really not easy to pose it's just much more like rigid and hard to to maneuver comes with far less hand poses the neck is too long and especially when you're drawing chibi characters it's all about cuteness and not realism anyway so I don't really see the point of the chibi figure it just seems like a bit of a waste of money I'm more of a novelty thing it doesn't in any way seem practical and you can see the positioning and poses of their hands and the character in general ends up with if you follow it literally an illustration or sketch that ends up right in the uncanny valley so let's get past that I do think this is where you can actually see the the value of these figures sort of come into their own now mind you it took a lot of frustration to actually get a pose that I was reasonably happy with and I'd to make some compromises for example I wanted her right hand to be holding the laptop but that hand actually didn't fit on the end of her arm I kept coming off there was no way to fix it to her arm so there will be some hands that don't stick to the limbs which is not great especially what I wanted to serve a specific function which comes again to compromise you end up needing to compromise the vision you had or the pose you may have wanted to get to get something close enough to it however if you can get something you're reasonably satisfied with this is where it does sort of become pretty useful and I think drawing figures that are interacting physically or in close confines can be really tricky especially when it comes to foreshortening how comfortable or and organic they feel next to or with and beside and on each other so I really wanted to test this and have two little study buddies laying down and playing around and having a bit of a study session and it's a pretty simple drawing in the end but it actually feels pretty comfy I would have found this more difficult to draw without the reference that I created and I think that does speak of some of the potential that you can gain from using these figures so now for my final verdict in a few and Ben comments and I'm just gonna go through this in pros and cons starting off with the cons to just get them out of the way like I said I'm gonna be pretty brutally honest some of the build quality in these is less than ideal and depending on what box you happen to get or how gently they feel like shipping it to you the parts can really just come apart from each other really quite easily at times and it can become the most frustrating experience ever the novelty value when you receive these things is great but it diminishes very quickly as soon as you actually try and put some of the the use of it in practice and the little tiny limbs keep falling apart or you get your pose to like 85 90 percent of the way there and then in just trying to do that a little bit of fine-tuning it all falls apart and you're back working from the starts and trying to get it as close to you to your final pose as possible in the end I always ended up settling at around 85 90 and just calling it a day because fine-tuning it was just so frustrating and difficult but another thing that led to more compromises was let's say I want this figure to be dabbing as you do get the pose in the general position and sometimes you'll hit these loose spots depending on how finicky you're willing to be you may end up at a position where just that last little pose is not gettable because it just is loose and not sitting in place so this requires more fiddling and finishing about which requires a little more pressure over the whole figure which ends up putting your pose out of proportion and out of position which ends up leading to things falling apart and you feeling really frustrated so they other cons there's a couple and some of them aren't that wonderful however the pros are pretty cool if you're willing to be patient the first pro is the novelty value these things are cool and there is just sometimes something worthwhile and just having these little figures to put on your shelf I mean I have to admit I am a sucker for statues and these things if you can get a cool pose can look really organic and would just look really cool on a shelf in general so I I think there's just something nice about them as an item to display when it comes to actual practical use I don't see people using these regularly now I may be wrong I'm sure there are people watching this video who have these and I'd be interested in your thoughts please share them in the comments down below if you have them tell us how regularly you use them because my impression is even if the mechanisms the the foreshortening and the hand poses and the general workflow of using these was useful to me I can't picture myself breaking them out any more than once every month or so if that it just feels like a lot of work to disrupt the post that you carefully made and then try and figure out if you can make what you hope to make as opposed into usable pose with that be sent like we have here sometimes you can end up with something a little organic and a little cool and I think where it will be most useful for people is once again for people interested in learning how to draw hand poses on different angles for example if you want to do the finger gun you want to know what it looks like from behind or on top you can take your photo reference on any angle okay normally I would actually just do that with my own hand or just take a photo of my own hand or even google the hand pose so hey look the more learning resources you have at your just the better right and then of course there are people who just don't feel confident when it comes to foreshortening and pose dynamics there is some use in just learning through that way of building something taking the photo and just putting it into practice and actually think taking a photo of a single pose that looks really cool on different angles and sort of sketching it and practicing your ability to interpret physical space from three dimensions in two dimensions could definitely be a really worthwhile activity of developing your drawing skills plenty of cons to keep in mind but some of the pros would definitely be useful for those of you who are interested in just having a bit of a crutch and a bit of a way of leaning on something or focusing on an external development tool to help you pass some of the things that you're struggling with artists I hope this little video peak of the body kuhn and body Qian figures have been useful or interesting or insightful to you if you have them let us know in the comments what your experience of using them has been how often you use them if you found them useful or just a bit of a gimmick otherwise if you like this video please make sure to hit that like button so other people can see this video and subscribe to george as our for more fun with art creativity and occasional quirky products thank you so much for watching ladies and gentlemen and until next time I'll see you later make sure to subscribe to my channel to see more of my videos and while you're at it check out my shop where I sell ebooks brushes photo references video courses and more there's another video you might enjoy from my channel over there and you can also check out my behind-the-scenes daily vlog channel daily Jazza that's it for now and until next time I'll see you later

49 thoughts on “"MODELS FOR ARTISTS" – Body Kun/Chan – What's the Deal??…

  1. Jazza, you mentioned different angles of the same pose to learn how to conceptualize different angles of a pose idea.

    What I'd do with these is take a bunch of pics of different angles to key frame a camera surround animation. Something like your couple pose would just need some head and arm movements added in post to make a cute animation with some typing and a shared look.

  2. SH FIGUREHARTS MAKES GODDAMN ACTION FIGURES
    THEY ARE JUST CALLING THE TOY AN ART MODELLLLL
    Sorry my younger brother, who is a TOY nerd, got really mad
    He won't let me delete that

  3. It honestly warms my heart to see how your creativity transformed those figurines โ˜บ๐Ÿค—โ˜บ๏ธ

  4. same opinion for the body-chan, i have the skin color ones not the grey but my body-chan has a shoulder joint that just falls apart nonstop and her chest front also comes off when i try to place that shoulder back :'D but still pretty good to pose them

  5. I got one of those wooden ones a couple years ago…… I tried using it to practice sewing clothes for it (which I literally only did once), though I
    Did plan on using it as reference for drawing poses. The flexibility was so limited, it currently lays in eternal slumber in a box of sewing materials. Needless to say, I could only feel identified when the subject was brought up๐Ÿคฃ

  6. It's unfortunate that you seem to have gotten counterfeits- Actual GoodSmile Company dolls are INSANELY high quality. Hopefully you can at least find some good use out of the dolls you did buy. I actually purposely buy second hand used bootlegs a lot so that I could customize Nendoroids without having to actually destroy a real one. If you use wall tacky for flimsy joints, it really helps make it feel more sturdy.

  7. Hi! Im a sculptor and in the beggining i used the body kun in every masculine figure that i made. It was very usefull in the beginning and now i didnt use so much as before.

  8. You should look into Daz 3D. It's free software and fairly easy to use with the aid of a couple of tutorials. Simple for posing 3d models. Basic models and accessories are also free. There is, of course, a vast catalogue of other models and assets that can be purchased and the program can get very advanced and be used for high quality 3d renders and animation. I found the site when looking for poseable models and ended up becoming a 3d artist. I would recommend any artist to look into Daz 3D. Also anyone can view some of my Daz art by searching GeminiX22 Root Gallery in Google

  9. I just got versions for my birthday
    * Turning 15 on the 22nd *
    And they aren't flimsey but they can be frustrating.
    But if your willing with my versions I believe you can get it 100% fine tuned

  10. I bought my first Body-Kun drawing model using this REVIEW https://potterylabpro.com/best-drawing-mannequin-model/! I love it โคโคโค

  11. I got one of these and it was probably bootleg now that I think of it and it was horrible I opened it and the arm fell off after 10 minutes of posing it and everything breaking I just took it apart to see how easy it would be (It took no effort at all)

  12. Idk if this actually right, but a lot of people are saying these are the cheap knockoff versions… so could you check the price, because apparently the knockoffs are $29. And ofc if you got the knockoffs, please try again with the real things.

  13. Try The armature nine figures. You can even get extra parts to make something more than human and it doesn't feel as fragile.

  14. I bought my BodyChan off of Wish about 2 years ago. Yes its a counterfeit one but I found that when I was using modeling clay in the joints it works great, prior to that I felt like I Was going to break it. Just a little bit of clay made the whole thing more stable.
    Again I dont mind the fact that its a counterfeit, it only cost me 10.00 compared to the official ones.
    I use mine for both drawing references. I have also wrapped it in foil to make a clay sculptures for casting figures.

    Edit: The ads you see on Facebook and instagram are all counterfeit ones. If you want one just go to Wish and get it for 10.00 ( its sketchy because Wish is hit or miss ). If you want a real one you need to get it from the official site or I have seen them for sale at Conventions the official ones will cost about 75.00 Each anything less than that is a fake.

  15. put some glue onto loose joints and connect them after the glue is dried. this way the joints will be thicker

  16. honestly i got a free 3d model version on my computer which is super easy to use no need to real physical fiquers

  17. So basically these models couldnโ€™t be bothered to put good effort in to the female but in the male they did put good effort so they are sexist

  18. I donโ€™t use anything I just take pictures of what I want to draw…. it usually doesnโ€™t go so well lol ๐Ÿ˜‚

  19. I ended up getting these (reading the comments I feel like mine were possibly a knock off, which adds up with how GREAT some people's are) and mine were sooo crappy and flimsy I had to take the two males I have apart and make one working Frankenstein from them. They're so bad I ended up getting all my money back, bad.

  20. Bandai it's posable drawing figs, you can also buy as a kit to build yourself.
    Such a shame that there are flimsy knockoffs.

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