Is mumble rap art?

Is mumble rap art?


What does these rappers have in common with these works of art? Welcome to ‘Is This Art’.
Where we take a closer look at pop culture.. and try to answer the age old question,
is this art? A common problem people have with todays rap music.. is it’s supposed lack of substance. And the fact that often you can’t
hear a single word they’re saying. Rapping along with your favorite tracks takes
a little more work then it used to. This new generation of artists goes by many names.. SoundCloud rappers, based on the popular platform SoundCloud.. where they often publish their work.
Or, mumble rappers. Based on the way they rap,
kind of mumbling and not articulating their words well. It appears that these rappers go back to the very basic,
almost childlike way of rapping. It’s not always about the words, it’s more
about the emotion, feel, melody or tone. Take Lil yachty and Playboy Carti their song ‘Get Dripped’ for example. And see if you can make out what it is they’re saying. For the average listener, I think it’s pretty impossible. There is a lot of debate on who started
this particular style in rap music. But many contribute this to the rapper Future. Critics praise Future’s way of stretching and
deteriorating words until they’re less like words. More like raw energy and reactive an spontaneous emotions. These spontaneous emotions are exactly what
connects these young American artists.. To a group of European artists from over half a century ago. Let’s dive into that. We see a lot of simularities between todays rapscene.. and this group of European artists that were
active a few years after the second World War. They called themselves ‘Cobra’.
Names after the cities where the members of this group worked. Copenhagen, Brussels and Amsterdam. The artists from the Cobra movement were all
about free expression and spontaneous creation. They didn’t want to burdened by the rules of the academics. and were probably the first after the Second World War.. the time of Hitler’s ban on the so called ‘degenerate art’.. to again break with art historical tradition. The artist went back to the core of creation.. looking at children’s drawings and
the mentally ill for inspiration. Why? Well, because children en people
suffering from mental illnesses.. were closest to a sort of core creativity
and most spontaneous and honest. Children, they just.. draw. This is something you recognize immediately
when looking at the work of the Cobra movement. this is a type of work that probably comes
closest to a comment frequently made in museums: ‘This is something that my four year old nephew could make’ Oddly enough, that might be the biggest compliment
you could give the members of the Cobra movement. The Cobra movement created their own
characteristics expressive style.. or language where they merge bodies of
bright colors with squiggly and short lines. Creating shapes like eyes, noses and mouths.. to could create something like an animal for example. The artists from this movement continued this style
in their later work as well and have inspired.. contemporary artists to this day. Nowadays the Cobra movement is a
celebrated name in the museum world. However, in their own time, the artists of the Cobra movement.. got a lot of criticism from the art critics. This is an interesting analogy for todays rap scene as well. They are also subject of a lot of criticism
often by the older hip hop establishment.. like Snoop Dogg and Eminem. Who were, in their turn, also in the same position
when they were starting out in the nineties. This way of criticizing new generations of artists.. is a continuous cycle in both visual arts and music. Often based on nostalgia because everything
used to be better in the past, right? That same cycle goes the other way around as well. New generation of artists will always
try rebel against the establishment.. and create new boundaries by criticizing the old. Music provokes emotion, whether profound or not. And art does just that. The artists that succeed in doing this.. are the artists that will truly
put their mark on music and art history. But, what do you think?
Is this art? Let us know whether you think mumble rap is art or not.. and let us know your suggestions for new episodes of ‘Is This Art?’
Thanks for watching!

55 thoughts on “Is mumble rap art?

  1. I can’t believe you only have 2.2k subs and are making such incredibly high value content, do you have prior experience in making vids??
    You are amazing, see you at 1,000,000 subs. 😉

  2. It is harder to connect to music you do not understand. That's why some people don't connect with J-pop and K-pop and latin music when they don't understand the words. I can't connect with mumble-rap because the melody has nothing interesting going on, the voice of the rapper has not been an appealing complement to the melody. I can't get into growling in metal either, there it is distracting and takes away from the melody to me.

  3. I think something good might be to ask what's good about it.. what are they trying to express, which attitudes to life, which values, which just aesthetics (if not necessarily a serious talk on how life should be). I hated trap, and I'm starting to love it

  4. Is it art? …. eeeeh yeah I guess… Is it for me though? Obviously not but that's ok. Mumble rap has its target audience or else it wouldn't be successful. I've only recently started listening with a different ear and have actually come across a few mumble songs I could jam to. Most still make me puncture my car radio with my middle finger tho.

  5. Not particularly liking something, elicting a reaction is one of the cornerstones of art. Having said that, the aesthetic feels wholly commercial and reactionary for the sake of being reactionary rather than a stalwart movement meant to be an expression of a collective. I look forward to the next group to come from this era; I hope they're more honest in their vision. I hope they're re-constructionists.

  6. I still think it's a bit of a stretch but the video is still interesting and hella entertaining.

    Like, snoop dogg is correct in saying the mumble rappers all sound the same, and while it may be true that they all sounded the same in snoops time, that's okay because what differentiated them was what they were saying. This is just like how the style of artists trying to draw like 4 year olds looks similar, but they are still drawing different things. If in mumble rap it doesn't really matter what they're saying, then the differentiation is lost. Rijks brings up how what they are saying is the emotions they are expressing, and sure that's fine and even great! But it seems that all the mumble rappers express basically the same emotions.

  7. Yeah mate, I'm sure the rappers referred to & felt affinity with the earlier 20th century European artists. Seriously, the art in your museum is worthy enough – you don't have to debase yourselves in a desperate search for 'relevance'. No one likes desparation.

  8. Really good video, but I feel like you could've pointed out a few more things. Like how the mumbling is not for the sake of mumbling, but a mix of accents from the South, where this style originated from, while also simulating what someone tripping on Xanax sounds like. Furthermore, I think it's important to see that not being intelligible for the mainstream audiences is, in a sense, a way to reconnect with the disenfranchised communities that spawned hip-hop in the first place, even if the mainstream music industry found a way to market and sell it by the shitload. And finally, I think there's a pretty big distinction between soundcloud rappers and the Cobra artists. It's undeniable that Cobra had a deep knowledge of art history before they ever tried to make something that rebelled against it. I don't think that's true of today's rappers. Plus, while some old school rappers have been very vocal about their distaste for mumbling, I think Snoop's frustration in particular has more to do with the characteristic Migos flow that a lot of people copied, than it has to do with mumbling itself. The video is great, though, and mumble rap is obviously art and obviously has tons of value, even if people try to take it's merit away (something created by young black kids gets criticized by people who make zero effort to understand it, in other news, water is wet.)

  9. The ranges of topic and emotion seem really limited in comparison between the two movements. But I'd definitely still say mumble rap is art, especially within the definition of cultural aesthetics. It's not like a lot of pop music isn't defined by similar characteristics, and the artistry there seems well established (if a bit stale).

  10. Hell yeah it’s art. The hip hop/rap culture will continue to evolve by creating newer in different ways to push the needle forward in creating music. It’s okay to criticize but ultimately (and I love the Cobra comparison) things need to change. It’s inevitable no matter the medium.

  11. I see mumble rap is more of a publicity stunt where the rappers try to create an image for themselves instead of putting that energy to doing something new with music and art. I’m still in high school and I see kids with no prior musical talent, ambition or ingenuity, creating SoundCloud rap that sounds the same as the professional rap.

  12. I think art is a relative term. To some people shoes can be art, but to others the mechanics which allows engines to be powerful enough to propel a jumbo jet is art as well. Art can be anything depending on who you ask, but that doesn’t mean that everyone needs to agree on it. Art means something different to everyone

  13. Well wouldn't heavy metal music be the true pioneers of "not being able to hear a single word" type of songs

  14. People so often conflate "art" with "good", so if they don't think it’s good, it can’t be art, right?

  15. To clarify from the start, I don't like mumble rap either, but I'm not completely against it. I have people even reference mumble rap as punk rap. And to be honest, I see why. Just like punk rock before it, it goes against every convention of the genre and has tons of hate for exactly that. And people today praise Sex Pistols, Ramones, Nirvana and the Stooges as some of the best rock acts of all time. Maybe, just maybe, in about 2030 or 2040 people will also praise Migos, Lil Pump, Lil Yachty and Future as innovators🤷

  16. If I say it’s not art then you will argue that I’m the establishment and that by fighting the establishment these mumble rappers prove they’re art.

    If however I do say it’s art you say yeah thanks.. see we’re right.

    How can I win?

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    I’m just expressing raw emotion to disrupt the comments establishment #dontjudge

  18. I think something really important on the topic of Mumble rap that doesn't transfer over well with the art analogy is rap's social influence. From the way it impacts the words used, to the way they speak entirely (5:00 in this video). It's embarrassing to admit, but I have trouble understanding the way some people speak, and find it very often uses the same structure that I struggle to understand in Mumble rap.

    While art definitely influences culture (your video on memes as art covers this much better than I could) art is relatively self contained compared to how much rap music has seemed to dominate the culture it resides in, and I'm not sure a form of entertainment has ever had such a wide impact. I'm sure you could make a video on it.

  19. I guess it depends on what you personally want to get out of music. If you like interesting melodies, lyrics, composition, or virtuosity of any kind at all… then it only qualifies as art in so far as “art is in the eye of the beholder” (and it looks like there are plenty of people beholding it) If you just want something ear-wormy to bob your head to, then more power to you i guess. Also i think people tend to ignore that mumble rap is a package deal. It comes with a very specific fashion and lifestyle. Maybe that’s why i don’t like it. It isn’t music for music’s sake. It feels like an elablorate marketing campaing to sell more xanax and jewelry to impressionable kids.

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