A Checklist For Fake Martial Arts • Martial Arts Explored

A Checklist For Fake Martial Arts • Martial Arts Explored


Checklist for Fantasy Based Martial Arts Socrates is famous for saying: “I know that
I do not know”. It takes a very wise person to know of things
that you do not know. To understand your limitations and to realize
that there will always be greater truth to discover. Yet what happens with people who do not know,
that they do not know? Hi, my name is Rokas, and in this Martial
Arts Journey video we will take a look at a checklist to go through, and hopefully figure
out whether the martial art that you are practicing is unrealistic and fantasy based, or weather
it is actually delivering what it promises. As I’ve said in the foreword, there is no
issue if you understand what you do not know. The same case applies in martial arts. Many traditional martial artists and the so
called “reality based self defense practices” criticize for example Brazilian Jiu Jitsu,
that commonly it does not include strikes, often relies on going to the ground and its
many practitioners focus on the sports aspect of it. Yet in my experience most BJJ practitioners
are aware of these limitations and many gyms actually address these questions by either
talking about them or including special self defense classes in their gym to compensate
for it. While if a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu practitioner
is not aware of these lacks, it does make it into a problem, as long as he or she is
aware of it, there is basically no issue. Yet again, this issue commonly arises in various
traditional martial arts and sometimes “reality based martial arts” when they are actually
not aware of what they do not know. You can meet many various martial arts practitioners
who believe their martial art is the best. Actually, often enough, the martial arts which
are the least functional and realistic tend to have the most confidence (again, because
they are not aware of how unrealistic they are, otherwise they would most likely do something
about it). Even the person who is viewing this video
may be thinking that “for sure” his martial art is not fantasy based, yet what if it is
the opposite of what this viewer thinks? In other words, to repeat myself: what if
he or she does not know what he or she does not know? To address this question, I’ve made a checklist
of three questions by which answering you should be able to assess whether your martial
art is functional and offers what it promises or whether it is fantasy based – or in other
words – does not deliver what it promises, thus “exists in a fantasy”. Number 1: Do you know the clear source of
knowledge which makes you believe your martial art works? To put it more simply – how do you really
know that your martial art works? Now this is where it gets tricky, since there
are a lot of false sources which may be mistaken for real ones and thus be relied on. That is why we will address a number of them. Many believe that their martial art works
first of all because their teacher says so. While we will look at questioning the teacher
in another checkpoint, it is important to note, that many do not question their martial
art teachers when they claim that their taught martial art works and do not seek direct personal
experience or other type of proof. These students easily believe various stories
about how someone defended from someone else using this martial art and do not consider
the details asking further questions. How do I really know if this story is real? Did the defending person actually use a technique
or self defense method from the martial art, or maybe he trained other functional martial
arts and applied them primarily? Or maybe the person was very athletic already
and the actual martial art just played a small role? There are so many points and questions which
may be crucial in successfully undermining whether the stories which are relied on are
actually relevant or not in understanding whether the martial art is effective or not. Thus if a school heavily relies solely on
stories to promote the effectiveness of the taught martial art, that tends to be a bad
sign. While it shouldn’t be the main point of
reference, one more thing to consider is video evidence. If you search on YouTube for people who successfully
defended themselves using Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Boxing or Mixed Martial Arts alongside a few
other practices – you will see plenty of options to look at where it was used in an actual
self defense situation. Yet if you will search for example – Aikido
or Wing Chun effectively used for self defense you will quickly notice that there is little
to no video evidence of it being used effectively, and even if there are a couple of videos to
take a look at, most likely they will be questionable of whether the video was not scripted or if
there were no other special circumstances as the ones mentioned before, such as – if
the person hasn’t actually practiced other, effective martial arts beforehand and mainly
applied them. Of course there are many other bad signs,
which we will continue to look at in the second checklist point. Number 2: Does the school allow you to challenge
and experience its effectiveness personally without cumbersome guidelines? Other sources which may mislead in developing
a false impression of effectiveness in a given martial art, may be the high level of specific
skill in the martial arts practice of advanced students. Most martial arts which are practiced for
years by someone under very specific circumstances will probably look great, due to their developed
and mastered physical skills. Here I am talking about various rehereased
solo katas, movements or choreographed cooperative exercises which after being performed thousands
of times indeed look impressive and deserve certain respect, yet the question here in
regards to martial effectiveness is – how do these same skills work under different
conditions? Let’s take Wing Chun for example. A lot of Wing Chun schools have very specific
blocks against specific attacks. When asked if you can challenge such a practitioner
and see if these techniques actually work, most likely you will be asked to strike in
a very specific way, which will be defended against in another specific pattern. Yet what if you would faint? What if you would do a roundhouse kick? What if you would do a double leg takedown
without announcing that you will do it ahead? I give a high percentage bet that most Wing
Chun practitioners would not be able to deal with changed and unpredictable conditions. And not to say that this issue is only in
Wing Chun. Probably the same will be experienced in most
Aikido, Kung Fu and other types of traditional martial arts schools, which heavily rely on
cooperative training and repetition of dead patterns without alive pressure from an attacker
who is intending to do actual harm, instead of following the choreographed scenario. In these schools, if you will present such
a challenge, most likely you will be asked to either attack in a very specific, predefined
way, which will of course not happen in a realistic situation, or you will be given
an elaborate explanation, a.k.a. excuse, of why you will not be allowed to do attack in
any way you want – either due to some “philosophical beliefs” of the school or because it is
quote on quote “too dangerous”. Now to quickly debunk the “too dangerous
myth” – realistic, functional and effective martial arts do not have an issue with it
being “too dangerous”. A Judo player will most likely easily throw
a less experienced attacker who will try to tackle him, same as a BJJ practitioner will
either choke out or submit a person who would challenge him, all the while without really
hurting him. An experienced boxer or kick boxer may land
a few medium intensity strikes or kicks on such a challenger, as long as he attacks with
modesty, to show him that he will not succeed, without significantly hurting the challenger
either. And if he attacks with full force, well, maybe
he will experience a strong sense of pain in his leg, liver, or face, yet that will
not kill him and the proof of martial effectiveness will still be received. No wonder the Gracies were able to challenge
practitioners of all possible martial arts and beat them without killing them, or significantly
hurting them for dozens of times. Yet again, if a martial artist or a reality
based martial artist will tell you it’s too dangerous to accept such a challenge and
prove that their martial art works, a high level of alert should be turned on. Last but not least, I would also advise to
see how the questioned martial art performs under pressure – either a real life attack
or a sparring session. If a martial art is fantasy based, as soon
as it will receive real pressure (an attacker who is not allowing himself to be thrown or
be punched at and is attacking in spontaneous, unpredictable ways intending to do some level
of actual damage), this fantasy martial art will very soon start to look very similar
to effective martial arts, such as boxing, wrestling or Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. In other words, all the beautiful solo movements,
katas and choreographed motions which have a very specific style, under real pressure
will fade away almost entirely, leaving the most basic ways of fighting, based on instinct,
thus giving another alert sign that – if this martial art would be effective as it is practiced,
why does it look entirely different under real pressure? And on the opposite end – martial arts which
are effective will look pretty much the same as how they are practiced, since their method
of practice is effective to begin with. Number 3: Does the teacher allow himself to
be questioned and constantly challenges himself? Once more, many martial arts schools idolize
the teacher. Whether by passing on stories to others of
how powerful his martial art is, or by obeying him without question. In such a school if a beginner has doubts
about the martial art, which happens in most cases where fantasy based martial arts are
involved, the student is either given a very brief (or sometimes a very elaborate), unconvincing
explanation of why he should not have doubts, or is scolded for questioning and is downright
asked to not do it anymore, creating circumstances where a belief that questioning is a bad quality
is developed. Editor’s note: [My God! Doesn’t this type of attitude frustrate
you as much as it frustrates me?… Anyway… Back to the script.] Such a teacher will usually by no means allow
himself to be challenged either at all, or unless under very strict conditions, as described
before. What is even worse, such a teacher has probably
stopped challenging himself all together and has probably not left his comfort zone for
a long time at all, only demonstrating the quote on quote “effectiveness” of his
martial art only with his high ranking students, who know exactly how to properly respond to
basically – make him look good. A teacher who has truly effective martial
arts skills will most likely seek to be challenged regularly either by his students or even outside
of his school. He will either spar with his students or even
ask them to challenge him in one way or another to keep honing his own skills. A great example of this is Rickson Gracie,
who reportedly would grapple his students while creating additional challenges to himself,
such as tying down one or even both of his arms, or doing it blindfolded. A teacher like this will most likely not hesitate
to welcome a practitioner of another martial art in his school and test his own and the
visitors skills, because, if he is teaching a martial art which is effective, he should
be pretty damn good himself and better than most of people who walk into his school and
he should be able to effectively prove it. On the other hand in fantasy based martial
arts and quote on quote “reality based” schools, the teacher will most likely avoid
such visitors by all means or will try to dissuade them from presenting an actual challenge. And if someone who is better than the teacher/instructor
comes into an effective martial arts school, a teacher of such a school will usually happily
invite this better person to teach a class instead of him. Because a person who practices realistic,
functional and effective martial arts, know the reality – that he will never be the best
and unbeatable, he is simply better than most people. Yet if your teacher acts contrary to this… That is one more bad sign to look after. And that happens very often in Fantasy Based
Martial Arts where the instructor presents himself and is looked at as invincible. In summary, while these are only three checklist
points to ask yourself, if you are sincere about the process of answering them, they
should give you more than plenty of information to find your answer whether your martial art
is fantasy based or not. And if you come to a conclusion that it is… It is not the end of the world. I know from my personal experience, that it
is not easy to leave a martial art that you’ve invested years into, where you are respected
and acknowledged for your skills and you are about to enter a place, where you feel like
a complete beginner. Yet in the end, a fantasy is a fantasy and
a lie is a lie… If what you have invested into, even for decades,
turns out to be a fantasy and a lie, do you really want to keep investing into it? Or is it better to stop doing it today, than
tomorrow, or worse – ten years later? This was Rokas and I wish you to own your
Journey.

100 thoughts on “A Checklist For Fake Martial Arts • Martial Arts Explored

  1. So if wing chun so ineffective why did Gracie study with yip man son also with kata how come you never mention Okinawa karate

  2. I watch MMA, and buy tapout shirts…I think I'm good.

    I've never been in a fight, but it can't be that hard to apply what I've learned.

  3. A lot of people still in denial in this comment section. It's always "it works BUT…" It's just too deadly! Too deadly I say!

  4. You know nothing of Wing Chun. It is one of the most powerful and useful martial arts. Go check our master Wong and then tell me WC doesn't work. You don't know, you don't know & you don't.

  5. As a martial arts teacher… A person should have the right to discredit, question or challenge me at anytime.

  6. Look. While BJJ and Boxing are indeed very effective, the argument that traditional martial arts are not is getting very OLD. Taekwondo, Karate and even Wing Chun have been used to great success in UFC and similar.

    They may not be COMPLETE just like BJJ is not complete and neither is boxing.

    And if you're talking fighting, OF COURSE the martial art has to include actual fighting or at least sparring and not just forms/choreography. That is indeed the main reason BJJ, Muay Thai and Boxing have been predominant in MMA, because they include a lot more actual fighting and are less resctricted by sport rules than for example TKD.
    Most martial arts have very useful elements, it's up to you to be able to pick them up and ignore the useless ones.

  7. Gracie’s bbj did not successfully beat ALL kinds of martial arts. I’m referring to weapon based.

  8. 8:44 that sounds very similar to what churches do with their pastors. Then you see them performing hadokens and stuff and people falling xD

  9. The effectiveness is in knowing how to hurt people and being able to take a beating. Shitty schools give psychopaths somewhere to keep busy.

  10. Could narrow this to one.
    "Does your style have a popular full contact event and or is used by people who need to fight to stay alive?"
    Wrestling/Bjj/ judo/Boxing/Kick boxing/etc all have college level, Olympic level, commercial, military or police proliferation.
    Tie chi? Nope. Done by old people in parks to start the day.
    If you can't say "my style is used effectively by people in commercial fights or by military or police" it's not real world effective.

  11. Good Cardio, basic boxing techniques, being gifted at birth with a touch of quickness/athleticism, and the actual courage to fight in the first place is all any average person needs to win 99.9% of the fights they will ever encounter in life. The rest is just a business and money grab.

  12. You see a lot of people talk about how wing chun is fake. There are a lot of fake practitioners that I’ve even met myself but Si fu and Si Gung are both well known in the martial arts community. So I was never worried. If I was learning something ineffective and we sparred with the boxing/mma gym next to us regular

  13. While I agree with you in a way about the specific strikes for wing Chun and aikido…. I also disagree. If that person spars a lot they should be able to block. I do really love the content, though. You see too many know it all practitioners out there. Knowing that you do not know is very important

  14. It seems as if you have an issue with STRUCTURE and REPETITION. Katas are merely to teach you how to learn movement. How you incorporate them into an effective fighting style is "on you" outside the dojo. I have fought since I was a child. Started Taekwondo/Hopkido and Kenpo before I was 9. I quickly realized what worked in situations and what did not… that was up to me as a MARTIAL ARTIST. Arbitrarily stating that some martial arts are "fake" because they "don't fit" into some criteria that YOU established is foolishness and stupidity. While there are some BS studios out there that will "take your $", a traditional style such as Wing Chun can be devastatingly effective in the right practitioner's hands (or feet).

  15. 99% of all Martial Arts forgets the Martial and became Dancing arts and the MOST bad thing ist to advertise a "Martial Art" as "Great self defense" when it is NOT. Thats why so many Black Belts get punished in a real fight.

  16. Im in real martial arts because we do katas and do different types of grabs and learn how to use a bow staff and nunchucks

  17. I'm going to a small gym here in Madrid Colombia and our teach spars with us almost all the time unless there is and equal amount of students who know a thing or two about what they do but the best part is that some time ago he went to a competition in the Bahamas and won 1st place, plus the head coach (who does other things like get people in shape yes that's a class) fought 1 month ago in a bar for MMA! It's good tho know that my teachers are all putting up green flags!

  18. more then it just being aikido , you yourself was not a good fighter in general a good fighter regardless of style can defend themselves and win fights. Lol I think the issue is you blaming style too much and not your own personal weakness.

  19. Your critique is lazy and superficial. You also do not bother to understand what is wrong with competition and what is or is not ethical. Get a copy of the book ' No Contest: the case against competition '. You would have done better to cover less area and do a decent treatment of details. You have made numerous mistakes in what you asserted and your conclusions are based on poorly digested questionable assumptions. There are several options that would change your whole thinking that you did not even consider.

  20. I have used kung fu to protect my self on the street so just because it's very specifiek doesn't mean it doesn't work against other attacks. Also the strenghting of the bone is not a joke just like the streching of the tendons and the intensive strenght training. If kung fu was fake then why did monks learn it to protect them selfs from attackers. It was invented for self defense against soldiers. So fake my ass.

  21. I teach my own system Adaptive Fighting and Tactics (AFT) for disabled people and I don't like ranks but have a White, Grey and Black Belt for starting out to your getting to be a pretty good bad ass to you can teach and are a serious bad ass. And I have to teach to the disability but as a rule either I encourage cross training and dirty brutal fighting with a knife (blind) or for others other weapons including pepper spray and tasers and knife fighting for those in wheelchairs. Children and the Elderly need other techniques. But I don't charge either but my students give me gifts and such but I refuse to take money. That said I often challenge these martial arts if they can't handle me stumbling around walking which I can do and it hurts with a practice knife under a real scenario then you have issues with the martial art.

  22. What about Go kan ryu I am unsure about this style of karate as there has been a lot of people online calling it a "McDojo" and even people who practiced it before and all this blaming points towards the founder of it

  23. prior to the WW2, Kano, the creator of Judo sent his top students to train with Ueshiba (Daito-Ryu, later Aikido). The Gracies learned judo and preserved Randori which is why it's applicable. There are some incredibly strong people with an MMA mindset who practice more of the traditional MA and are willing to go toe-to-toe in a fight and are quite effective.

  24. The example with Wing Tsung, hurts because it is one of my main styles. Though I so realize that is so true with so many schools as well as those bad Wing Chung schools. One you learn some of the moves, a person should be able to ua2 them with whatever the opponent chooses to throw on their own.

    I dont think the list really needs to be so long. Though I will ads that I found when someone in a specific Martial Arts , M.A. style ask another of the same style a vocabulary test question to gauge how well they can fight. This tells me how puts vocabulary before practicality. They simply can't fight. After l how good will a vocabulary test question save you from an actual street fight?

    It is some of thw finer aspects with in the simple and basic moves that make them advanced. So, I will ask them to explain a simple move and how they do it. If they are just being wordy and not showing insight in how to do the basic move, it tells me their level is no different than a 1st week beginner. Though if they share advance aspects and what those advanced aspects as well as how many can tell me a lot about what they actually learned. It's the insight of moves and how to fight that tells a lot.

    I also will look when at a school if they do one move, reset, move, reset, move reset, power ranger pose with aloud yell to show they rely mean it. Grin. It shows me their teacher is not really teaching much. I want sew them make smooth transitions from move to move while showing power and speed. I will also look for spwcidica to how they move to see what level of knowledge they may know with in what makes each aspect effective or ineffective.

    Watching the students can tell you a lot. And, how the different belt levels are able to actually show a higher level of ability and knowledge. This way the student tell a lot about the teacher ability to teach them to actually fight.

    Though I have found the best teachers I have had in the past do nor teach to pay for a rood over their head, but have a low budget school, low budget fees, are more interested in passing on their knowlege and style than making a profit, and usually have a low number of students. The best I found did not have any students until I came around. And, still then i had to spend years to show them i was a student they ft was worthy of their time, energy and knowledge before they accepted me as an student. Then they taught at no coat. And, there was no belt test i was working on from week to week. Thw belt was not the primary focus but results on how well i was learning and progressing.

  25. I used to take Kung Fu as a small child, and looking back on it (besides the weapon training, that was legit), it was a McDojo. I had my purple belt by the time I was 8. :/

    I’m 15 now and do Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and I stay after class to get tips from the boxers in my gym.

  26. I’ll save you time. The video is basically just going back on the title and thumbnail. Don’t watch the video because it gives him views which are rewards. He’s basically saying “karate is useless” and his explanation is shit like “well if you have never used in in a real fight…” but that works for everything. I can teach you to box better than me and then kick your ass because I’ve been in more fights than you. He also makes the point of that some things aren’t as good or outdated. YEA, that’s cause it’s old and not perfection incarnate. THATS WHY THERE ISNT JUST KARATE. If one was flawless that would be it. Forever! And before you ask no, I don’t practice karate. I’ve never been a fan for other reasons. I just hate when people bullshit and clickbait

  27. I got my black belt in shotokan karate (JKA) at 17 but I started at age 11. I did full contact sparring for 3 years but wish to adapt muay thai or sanda to my moveset now since I’m older. Which one is the best move internet?

  28. I am a 3rd degree Qui Gong Roaring master. I can kill a Tyranosaurus Rex with a single roar. But since they are gone extinct, it is hard to prove my mastery.

  29. Very well said. I also changed from from karate to Jiu Jitsu and your points on the video, perfectly sums up my questions regarding the style, the dojo and most importantly the Sensei at my previous dojo. Hope this helps other martial artist or aspiring martial artists, to choose a functional martial art and have productive training.

  30. The reason my teacher wouldnt spar with the students is because of the fact that his body was so fucked up. He literally had like 3 kidney transplants and a liver transplant if I remember correctly. He was pretty fond of walking around the class while everyone was warming up and hooking their ankles and shoulders with his wooden cane though. lol RIP Master Eric Vaughn.

  31. MMA is not effective, stop sucking it’s dick please. It only works if:
    a) you have taken steroids.
    b) and have rules.

    Where I live you try to wrestle someone to the ground you will get stabbed or shot. Enough bull shit thanks.

  32. Although I get this "fake" and "real" arts distinction, I disagree that MMA is the ultimate proving ground. Many historical arts were developed as "unarmed" technics for battlefield soldiers who lost main weapon or blocked from it or combine the unarmed art with that weapon etc. For example fameous "Ottoman slap" is not a martial art as sometimes presented, but mostly a side technic for archer infantry who needs to defend without shifting to melee weapon even if the opponent moves into point blank range. An appearantly "useless" move may not be so useless when you have a blade or spear in your off hand. In MMA people dont seek to kill, or even seriously injure eachother. MMA also has many rules which dont apply in real combat, and weapons are out of question. Simple Aikido for example may be more useful than boxing, when opponent jumps on you and you need to gain a few meters or seconds just to reach your gun. You may really want to have praticed some wrestling when you find yourself in a sword locked push with an armored opponent, or someone catches your rifle and you found yourself rolling in dirt for gaining control of your weapon.

  33. Synchro and soft movement (traditional martial arts) will never work in a real fight because human are unpredictable that why mma,boxing,kick boxing have more potential to work in a real fight

  34. Hello Rokas,

    I'm a muay thai and karate instructor from the Philippines.

    SouthMetro MMA team. You are awesome and Continue your journey. My experience since starting martial arts back in 1994 and sharing it now.
    Fake martial arts are people who live in a fantasy based training world.
    I started with Full contact Karate then switched to muay thai. I would not say that my style of karate is not effective because it was kyokushin based, but it was incomplete. Muay Thai filled the gap.
    Any fighting art must be used with a realistic training scenario. Meaning, real hits and continuous sparring and real resistance.

    Good Work brother keep it up.

  35. one point in addition: the difference between hand to hand and weapon fighting. some traditional martial arts like Koryu and Chinese martial art are for the weapon, such as taichi is for swords and shield, Wing Chun is for double short sword, those training methods work with weapon combat but not hand to hand, thus boxing sparing with Taichi or Wing Chun is not a good idea to decide these two are fake martial arts. Maybe sparing with the true intent of such skill, ie: HEMA vs Taichi sword shield is a better test for those kinds of martial arts. For Wing Chun system, the double short sword is supposed to use to assassinate, for it can not fight best neither hand to hand nor to a long sword, for that we need only to preserve, not debunk.

  36. ☺☺☺☺
    While I agree it's not really helpful towards doing what we all want
    A simple effective way to defend ourselves should it hit the fan
    Sooooo how about putting together
    A Swiss army knife method of a few
    Practical things that the brain can handle
    In fight or flight mode…no bull..but essential response (and not awareness
    Stuff.)..it's the trapped got to do it..people want to know…my go to easy any one can do move is….a simple double hand
    Push….if their feet are together. sink low
    And shove the floor does the damage
    And your gone….(anybody else got something. ?)

  37. This video actually makes me more confident in the 3 years I put into traditional White Crane Kung Fu. The Sifu, while confident in good abilities, never claimed to be unbeatable, though not really taking challenges himself, he would put in his disciples instead, and there was a clear distinction between "this is the proper form for presentation and learning, but this is how it would actually look in practise", with a heavy emphasis on adapting and feeling out your opponent either through soft exercises like push hands or through sparring. Imo, any style that doesn't spar, or doesn't like sparring, will never translate into proper self defense

  38. My current instructor is all about real life defense and relastic.jujitsu.he said this ain't walker Texas ranger and gives details on what's realistic and not.Does this sound good?

  39. It's amazing how far u have grown. I remember wayyyy back then when u were teaching aikido. I was one of the person who would negatively comment on your channel. But now I know the kind of person u are, and is amazing as to how u wanted the truth and u weren't ego blinded. Wow now I will sub again. Incredible ❤️ keep it up my man.

  40. Everyone who waste their time practicing martial arts should wake up and smell the coffee. They all don't work in real life situation. Even MMA is not suited for real life fights. Head Butts and eye gouge will destroy a BJJ ground defense. Strikers get kick to the groin and will topple. Their style are not suited for street fight no rules.

  41. You need to add sport competition oriented arts.

    Sport= Not reality, these bozos have been scamming people for decades. The current MMA guys are pretty much the same jokers that started point fighting in the 70's and 80's. It was b.s. then and it is b.s. now.

  42. I like any martial art because it doesn't matter which one is the best. Because there's no such thing as the best. Every martial art has it's pros and cons. Especially when there's many people attacking you are if the person's body type is bigger than yours.

  43. A lot of people do not understand there is a pre WW2 and a post WW2 style of aikido. The post war aikido is very pretty and softer than the pre war aikido.

  44. They say for a lie to work the person hearing it has to partly want to believe it. These people taking martial arts that don't rely on sparring, conditioning, or other prerequisites for actual training are comfortable just learning moves that they hope will never actually be tested. There are way more people willing to pay money to keep schools open where they don't actually do the hardcore training fighters do and learn these fake techniques they saw on the latest action movies.

  45. My issue with "fake" martial arts is when someone tries to tell you it doesn't work but doesn't actually know the martial art and when you correct their mistakes tell you you're wrong about the style they have not done, normally seen with mma, bjj, mauy Thai guys talking to tma guys

  46. Apparently, true traditional Chinese martial arts was lost about 100-150 years ago. This was because of the guns in opium wars, boxer rebellion, communist China, cultural revolution, and reconstruction. Communist China banned what’s left of the martial artists from training and teaching because it was dangerous for the Chinese mindset and government at the time. Soon after communist China failed, they tried to save their culture, and created wushu, a flashy performance kind, and San shou/da which was sparring and military training. What people usually see is wushu, however, Chinese mma fighters usually use Sanda. In reality, Chinese traditional -traditional (actual ones) did in fact go through real experiences and full contact fights in wars and the in military training. It in fact worked in the countless battles in history, especially in the skirmishes in China’s borders. The fights did in fact looked like mma today and a lot of the techniques did in fact were used to kill. Research about this is apparent to researchers at Vanderbilt. Too bad we’ll never know in history what we can’t see. However, because communist China wiped out the history and encouraged what’s left, (internal styles of training), to spread its influence as modern “Kung fu” today. For the rest of eastern Asia, they did in fact base their martial arts off of China, and they too had techniques to kill in a fight, but as karate and tae Kwon do and judo became sports of a fighting style, their martial arts really turned into a joke compared to historical fighting and mma.

  47. Shaolin Kung Fu

    1. It was used in war for thousands of years when the shaolin temple was at war.

    2. Yes it absolutely does. The first day I was at my Kung fu school I asked this question. My master responded with saying attack me in any way you want. I then proceeded to do a front kick like in Muay Thai and he was able to get me to the ground. He could’ve from there did the “mma” ground n pound.

    3. At my school spar every week and learn actual applications to the forms/Tao lu’s. And yes he does let anyone challenge him and fight him.

    If you read all of this thank you for taking that time if you have any questions for me please dm me at tiredandsleepy.exe on Instagram. I train in Shaolin Kung Fu, Wing Chun, San Da (Chinese kickboxing), Qin Na (Chinese Joint Locks/Grappling), and Drunken and Leopard Kung fu as well.

  48. Martial arts that work produce successful MMA fighters. Martial arts that don't work produce excuses on the internet.

  49. This is not a threat, but if you want to come to my location, I can show you how useless my art is. Not a fight, just a lesson. I know some southern gung fu, and others. Including Aikido. We can have a whole weekend course for free.

  50. A question regarding "too dangerous " techniques.

    Krav maga uses eye gouges and groin kicks/knees to the groin, plus the odd head butt for good measure ?

    Pretty difficult to practice at anything over 10-20%, so I'd say "too dangerous to use in sparring"

    ….so, does krav then become a "fake martial art " ?

  51. My question is, how do I know that running away from a bad situation is going to work? For example will I fall over? Will somebody chase me and catch me? Will I be able to get away safely? How do I truly know that running will actually work for me?

  52. Most martial arts are simply exercise programs. Not bad for staying in shape, but will get you killed with a false sense of skill.

  53. Ya know how I know what works….growing up in Chicago fighting all the time….and those kind of moves don't make Hollywood movies

  54. I tend to lean towards the Japanese arts like Karate, judo, jujitsu. The Japanese have a rich history in warfare and fighting and in times in history the culture was aimed at perfecting it. I studied Okinawan karate, judo, ect, and i must say its probably some of the best foundation you can get in starting MMA or just a martial artist. Be picky tho you might run into a mcdojo or two

  55. In time older myths are replaced with newer myths. The new myth that you need to do sparring to improve is a falsehood; sparring is good but so are numerous drills. Think about this; your first line of defense in any situation should be a weapon unless you love your ego more than being alive. How many people who have succesfully used a gun, club or blade in self-defense have done live shooting sparring? Just about none and yet they (like police officers) are able to be succesful because they have received hands-on instruction on what to do. This alone proves that the hardline argument about sparring is obviously false. As long as the technique is based on solid foundation, sparring is not strictly necessary. Not to mention that genuine self-defense situations usually include an interview involving a strange person who takes the victim for an easy target. Proper self-defense instruction concentrates on how to neutralize the threat by proactive means, whereas in mixed martial arts the goal is often to jump at your opponents' feet since the element of surprise does not exist and rules prevent effective anti-grappling measures like fish hooking. Offensive grappling is a joke in survival but can be good for security.

  56. In an ideal world self-defense would be a science free from peoples' egos or the preferences of sports. Obviously in real life it's not so simple just like it is in science: science in itself may be objective, but the people doing science are humans with their own flaws. From a sports perspective any sport like taekwondo or BJJ is perfect in the sense that it gives you a venue for competition and you don't necessarily have to wonder what else it is good for. Then there's martial arts like kempo karate, okinawan karate, krav maga, jeet kune do etc. which, back in their time, tried to give an answer to the question of comprehensive self-defense but the science of self-defense exists independent of any lineage, person, nationality or preference and in that sense all these non-sport oriented arts have become obsolete because if competition is not a major part of it, what's the point? Since self-defense is free of constraints binding sports, there is no need for multiple systems as the knowledge is universal and interconnected. Modern humans are too smart to believe that some self-defense oriented art frozen in time has all the answers. And yet, at the same time, it's equally obvious that arts like krav maga, British/German jujutsu or Ed Parker's kempo did at least TRY (or do try) to provide an answer to the problem of self-defense while muay thai and BJJ, for example, seemingly do not regardless of how trendy they are. Some people do not like to hear it said but it should be obvious that an art which concerned itself with exploiting every weakness of the body, pro-active offense, weapon defense, multiple opponents, fighting injured etc. has tried to address the problem of self-defense which no sport ever has. The improvement of self-defense science is arguably held back by the egos and tribalism of all sides while partisanism and bias should not cloud that discussion. There are people posing as self-defense experts who are unwilling to look into any extra knowledge combat sports might have produced while there are also MMA people who cannot be made to admit that their sport is not about self-defense and that they do not have all the answers because their identity revolves around the idea that they are the most masculine men and if they cannot cope in some situation, everyone else would be just as ignorant and helpless as well. This has led them on a journey where they discredit centuries or millenia worth of folk wisdom and experience based knowledge to maintain their superman image. In a sense MMA has become the new chi master of the internet era.

  57. Socrates was a heathen. He never held the Faith of the Existing God. His "gods" were daemons. That's why it's not surprising he regularly broke the laws of non-contradiction e.g. when he implied you can "know things you don't know". Father Doctor Saint Eusebius Sophronius Hieronymus of Stridonium spoke of his brief-death-and-punishment experience (Father Doctor Eusebius Sophronius Hieronymus of Stridonium, Epistle 22:30 to Saint Eustochium, A.D. 384). He stood before Dear Divine Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Who asked "Who are thou?". Father Doctor Saint Eusebius Sophronius Hieronymus of Stridonium lied "I'm a Christian.". Jesus Christ said "Thou lie. Thou are follow Cicero; not Christ; for "where thy treasure is, there will also be thy heart" (Matthew 6:21)." and punished Father Saint Doctor Eusebius Sophronius Hieronymus of Stridonium with nonstop whipping until he cried for mercy and the Angels interceded for him to Him to give him another chance. Jesus Christ agreed. Father Doctor Saint Eusebius Sophronius Hieronymus of Stridonium promised God to never again read anymore philosophical drivel or be instantly cast into Hell. Father Doctor Eusebius Sophronius Hieronymus of Stridonium obviously kept his promise as he's a Saint now. Bishop Doctor Saint Aurelius Augustinus of Hippo's brief belief in "Triple Baptism" was probably related to the time he wasted on the philosophical drivel that got Father Doctor Saint Hieronymus of Stridonium in trouble in the 1st place.

  58. Even some fake ""martial" "arts"" (e.g. taekwondo, karate, kung fu, etc.) offer quite a few realistic techniques. I learned quite a few realistic techniques (e.g. front punch, palmheel strike, front kick, etc.) from taekwondo under Sensei Chris Merritt from from 1995 until he died in 1999. I learned quite a few realistic techniques (e.g. roundhouse punch, uppercut, etc.) from kung fu in 2001. I learned quite a few realistic techniques (e.g. trip kicks, sweep kicks, etc.) from karate, started boxing and kickboxing, and joined Cobra Kai in 2001. I started Thai boxing in 2009. I learned to combine and use what works with my streetfighting techniques in my fights. I learned to strike 1st, strike hard, and show no mercy. I learned to fight to win. There's nothing dirty about winning.

  59. I had a similar experience with a karate sensei when I was younger. I visited his mma class and he said the stance I learned in another club was bad, because it's from a different martial art than his and that he can take me down whenever he wants to do it. He couldn't.

  60. A person has to ask themselvs what is it that they want to achieve by taking martial arts. Does a person want to learn how to defend themselves? Does a person want to fight other fighters? Does a person want philosophical/spiritual inspiration? Not all marital arts offer same thing.

  61. If you're a half decent boxer, go find the best kung fu fighter you can find and tell him "I will slap you with my left hand and you wont be able to block it 75%+ of the time" then simply fake punching with your right and slap him with your left, then fake something else and slap him with your left. Rinse & Repeat

  62. all I know with absolute certainty, is that I know nothing at all. (to embellish slightly) supposedly Socrates, but he never write anything, so can't really know. I love that quote though.

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